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Doppelganger farming runs & statistics
« on: 10 March 2019, 18:48:22 »
Hey-ho, I thought I'd share the statistics i gathered last year from maze running. The idea is: with a suitable build put on all the items you'd like cloned, get the fountain at Mimer's maze, check all the places where the doppel can spawn (except for one, you can see on the map below, it's counterproductive to run there), reload the game, repeat 2644 times. 2644? Well there was more, but thats how many i have taken notes of, then kinda stopped ^^;
By "suitable build", it would preferably be a toon which can wear all types of items, depending on what you're after of course, and can still survive without the original gear. Petmancers are highly effective in that. I find the good ol' pet-champion perfect for the job. The only use I have out of her.

The items that can be cloned are not limited to the rarity level, but you can't drop artifacts, rings, or amulets - the bonuses from them don't apply to the doppelganger hero either. I'm fairly positive that both weapon slots are counted as one, I have merged them together, because I would sometimes use a bow or a staff, yet the drop number of weapons and shields is equal to that of each armor slot.

Why would you need multiples of the same item?:
1) It makes life easier, when you use the same one on multiple characters, so you don't need to transfer
2) Trading / sharing copies of upgraded items
3) Re-rolling the stats on an item

All the runs were done with vanilla TQ. Using 6-players difficulty can be more efficient, and the maximum amount of doppels in one run is increased (dunno the limit though)

Item drop statistics from runs 1-1000:


Item drop statistics from runs 1001-2000:


With each run there's around a 43,1% chance for at least 1 doppelganger:
31,6% - 1 doppel in the maze
9,9% - 2 doppels
1,2% - 3 doppels
0,4% - 4 doppels
Each one of them has that 10-11% chance to drop an item, so technically you could get 4 items from just one run, the most i ever got were 2 though :p

The path to take:


You can see through the wall the last chamber, so if there's only one phantasm there, a dopply will spawn, or perhaps it pre-spawned, either way, if there are 2 phantasms you don't need to run there.

Quick note, if the chest in the middle of the maze is locked, the doppel has spawned in the area to the right, where I usually don't check, so that's the one exception for when I would run there.


Here's a quick video of an example run, slap on all the desired items, making sure the movement speed is high, and there's some -recharge in there in my champion's case, and teleport around with war wind.



Hope this was informative to some of you :>
« Last Edit: 15 March 2019, 16:40:51 by Torstein159 »
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Re: Doppelganger farming runs & statistics
« Reply #1 on: 10 March 2019, 19:18:51 »
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Re: Doppelganger farming runs & statistics
« Reply #2 on: 10 March 2019, 20:03:52 »
Farming anywhere with Dvalinn's Simulacrum is more easier  ::)

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Re: Doppelganger farming runs & statistics
« Reply #3 on: 10 March 2019, 20:22:04 »
Farming anywhere with Dvalinn's Simulacrum is more easier  ::)

If cheesing the game is your thing, then I guess that's right, but it's not the way i roll
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Re: Doppelganger farming runs & statistics
« Reply #4 on: 10 March 2019, 22:49:23 »
nice build.. i saw pet champion builds before using a staff bleeecchh disgusting

62 items per 1000 runs.. so that's like 6 items per 100.. you are luckier than me.. is that data for v1.57?

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Re: Doppelganger farming runs & statistics
« Reply #5 on: 10 March 2019, 23:42:55 »
nice build.. i saw pet champion builds before using a staff bleeecchh disgusting

62 items per 1000 runs.. so that's like 6 items per 100.. you are luckier than me.. is that data for v1.57?

https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=527.msg5417#msg5417
thanks, yes v1.57, well I couldn't have been lucky in all 2000 runs, it's an average estimate, you can get nothing in 70 runs, or 4 giant's teeth in several runs :>
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Re: Doppelganger farming runs & statistics
« Reply #6 on: 11 March 2019, 00:38:20 »
I applaud your dedication to go through so much farming runs and compile all the data ^^

This table is also very instructive, well done.

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Re: Doppelganger farming runs & statistics
« Reply #7 on: 11 March 2019, 19:51:58 »
I applaud your dedication to go through so much farming runs and compile all the data ^^

This table is also very instructive, well done.
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