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Ragnarok has insane OP items.  I think we can all agree on that. But this topic is different. This is about the items that are probably overlooked because of seemingly better items. There are items like Nerthus Armbands that are only blue but obviously very good for a Summoner (Nature + Earth). I'm not talking about those items.  This is about the ragnarok items that are probably discarded as "not good items" at first look, but are actually great even for endgame.


Neith's Will

First is the purple throwing weapon that drops in any of your character playthroughs even if you don't look for it. But this is actually one of my favorite caster weapons. The base damage is low but it doesn't matter for a caster. The recharge and the %total damage are important for casters, throw in the resists and this is just perfect. The requirements are not that high too. Plus if you play a caster with hunting, you get the huge bonus to DA because it's a throwing weapon, even if you don't use it to attack



Marbod's Mask

This one i completely overlooked when i first found it. "Meh not good, probably never going to be used. put it in tqvault just for collection". But days, weeks, or maybe months later when i was trying to gear my str + dex assassin for 80% CDR permanent battle standard, i saw this on my tqvault and i saw the -50% int requirement for armors. There, it's possible for a str + dex character to wear archmage's clasp

and archmage's clasp is just perfect for this build because it solves my CDR problem, it gives me 40% attack speed, it solves my slow cast speed, and it even has a small chance to reduce resistances, which applies to both weapons and knives.


Dagger of Basbona

It looks like a good early epic item. Only early epic because the base damage is low. But wait, the %proc chance is total damage. So if you use it for multi attack AoE spells like ice shards, VO, and eruption, that %chance proc is sure to trigger every time. Add in the 20% recharge and this is really good for a caster even in endgame. The thousand cuts granted skill triggers upon taking damage but the 75% chance of impaired aim, 75% chance to fumble attacks, 30% chance to avoid projectiles should give you a little bit of extra survivability.  I also did not see this item's true worth when i first saw it in tq database.


Rings of the Rhine

I really see this as the devs' gift to casters or petmasters/trappers. It's only a blue item and the damage blocked is low so it's probably overlooked. But it gives a bonus DA of 300. It has a str requirement of 284 but is only really 241 because the -15% requirement also applies to it. And it also applies to other items including weapons. That 241 str req is easily reachable for characters in legendary even for toons that doesn't invest on str. And yep 15% recharge. A combination of this and a good throwing weapon is a good substitute for a staff.



Carnyx Staff

Now this one i admit i haven't tried on an actual character so this is mostly theoretical. The base damage is only 100 but this staff has a hidden attribute: 100% chance to pass through enemies. So combined with ternion, it would be great AoE. The damage is physical so this could be good for a str + int ternion spellbreaker or soothsayer
edit: wolpak and icefreeze tested ternion with carnyx. it seems ternion does work with carnyx but it works differently. and it's weird so just read the comments. headscratching. devs have weird imagination.

I realize most of the items are for casters but that's really how i play so those are the things i see. If you have other items that fits this topic, please share in the comments.
« Last Edit: 18 October 2018, 15:11:15 by botebote77 »
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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #1 on: 18 October 2018, 04:28:54 »
Agreed on Marbod's Mask. This item is very amazing early on.

Also, I saw that there was this bow in Ragnarok... it's a shame the DLC wasn't out back when I leveled my Ranger, I would've killed to have such bow during my leveling.


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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #2 on: 18 October 2018, 12:29:41 »
Carnyx donít work with no ternion :(

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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #3 on: 18 October 2018, 12:45:48 »
Carnyx donít work with no ternion :(
really? that's a bummer.. and it's weird since carnyx is a staff.. i was thinking of a reduced requirement build for it tsk

thnx for your test.. will edit
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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #4 on: 18 October 2018, 13:54:51 »
i get marbod mask early act 5 and used all way to the end, it have some nice stats for a epic helm, the strenght bonus and plus in spirit mastery works well on spirit-hybrids
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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #5 on: 18 October 2018, 14:44:53 »
Carnyx donít work with no ternion :(
really? that's a bummer.. and it's weird since carnyx is a staff.. i was thinking of a reduced requirement build for it tsk

thnx for your test.. will edit

It "works", you can use Ternion, but it just shoots one projectile like a normal attack.

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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #6 on: 18 October 2018, 14:50:10 »
Carnyx donít work with no ternion :(
really? that's a bummer.. and it's weird since carnyx is a staff.. i was thinking of a reduced requirement build for it tsk

thnx for your test.. will edit
Carnyx works with Ternion Attack, but specially. Carnyx's shock wave still look like 1 wave but deal dmg 2 time, and still pierce through target.
=> With Ternion Attack you fire one shot( 2 in 1) pierce through enemies.

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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #7 on: 18 October 2018, 15:14:34 »
Carnyx works with Ternion Attack, but specially. Carnyx's shock wave still look like 1 wave but deal dmg 2 time, and still pierce through target.
it shoots 1 wave that passes through enemies and deal double damage? interesting.. but it's still not mass AoE
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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #8 on: 18 October 2018, 15:46:14 »
Carnyx works with Ternion Attack, but specially. Carnyx's shock wave still look like 1 wave but deal dmg 2 time, and still pierce through target.
it shoots 1 wave that passes through enemies and deal double damage?
Yes, i'm using modified " game.dll " file that let you see allmost dmg you deal to enemies( except DoT, pet's dmg, and this dmg before enemies's absorbtion). When test on Dummy( at Spartan Campt) or on enemies, fire with Ternion Attack will cast 1 shotwave but deal double dmg( 2 dmg number display closely). Arcane Lore still works.
Its the same with Thunder Strike but i'm not sure exactly how many shot or dmg x  because dmg numbers insert each other( but i think its >=x3 dmg).
And Carnyx's shot is fly further than staff/bow range, may be = bow's shot's range when piercing through with Markmanship group skill. Its will a little shorter when proc Runework Explode of Rune Mastery.

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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #9 on: 18 October 2018, 16:31:18 »
Carnyx works with Ternion Attack, but specially. Carnyx's shock wave still look like 1 wave but deal dmg 2 time, and still pierce through target.
it shoots 1 wave that passes through enemies and deal double damage?
Yes, i'm using modified " game.dll " file that let you see allmost dmg you deal to enemies( except DoT, pet's dmg, and this dmg before enemies's absorbtion). When test on Dummy( at Spartan Campt) or on enemies, fire with Ternion Attack will cast 1 shotwave but deal double dmg( 2 dmg number display closely). Arcane Lore still works.
Its the same with Thunder Strike but i'm not sure exactly how many shot or dmg x  because dmg numbers insert each other( but i think its >=x3 dmg).
And Carnyx's shot is fly further than staff/bow range, may be = bow's shot's range when piercing through with Markmanship group skill. Its will a little shorter when proc Runework Explode of Rune Mastery.

You should use koderkrazy's TQFun "cheat" that will let you see all damage (except for dot).

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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #10 on: 18 October 2018, 17:32:35 »
You should use koderkrazy's TQFun "cheat" that will let you see all damage (except for dot).

Using that method need to run CheatEngine with game, i'm a lazy man, so i just hex the game.dll file one time and done  :D.

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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #11 on: 19 October 2018, 10:03:15 »
i did some tests, this could be interesting for those who like to try weird builds

i tested carnyx, staff of the covenant, and staff of the chosen.. not with ternion but with rune weapon

now rune weapon doesn't work with a staff right? right... but transmutation does.. and since 1.54:

- Transmutation is now permanently active (but still requires Rune Weapon)

so if you max transmutation, the physical damage gets converted to elemental, even if you attack with ternion or just ordinary attack.. both carnyx and staff of the covenant deal physical damage and the damage are then converted to elemental.. and it now scales with int.. transmutation doesn't affect staff of the chosen.. but the projectile is cool.. it looks like throwing knife (rogue skill) and the projectile is so much faster than ordinary staves

staff of the covenant with transmutation and ternion seems interesting.. it doesn't pass through like carnyx but it shoots 3 projectiles.. the requirement is int and the base damage is high physical which then gets converted to elemental
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« Reply #12 on: 21 October 2018, 09:08:25 »
would've killed to have such bow during my leveling.



Lvl 42, 282 dex bow, this would fall short in SOOOOO many ways, i wouldnt be able to clear epic helos with xmax or massbosses using this, prolly not even normal Soronis on xmax or massbosses.

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« Reply #13 on: 21 October 2018, 11:58:49 »
would've killed to have such bow during my leveling.



Lvl 42, 282 dex bow, this would fall short in SOOOOO many ways, i wouldnt be able to clear epic helos with xmax or massbosses using this, prolly not even normal Soronis on xmax or massbosses.

I leveled my Ranger with Xmax and held my ground perfectly fine with a worse bow in act 4, so your point is invalid.

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Re: Ragnarok Items That Might Be Overlooked But Are Actually Great
« Reply #14 on: 12 January 2019, 11:35:43 »
I just notice this from Vio on youtube( may be he is on this forum too, he is the author of Diablo II Immortal Mod from TQ-IT) that Prospector Rod Staff projectile can piercing through enemies
https://tq-db.net/search/prospe

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