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What Am I Doing Wrong?
« on: 21 May 2020, 20:13:15 »
I just recently got to Act 5: Ragnarok with my Conqueror. This is the first time I've ever gotten to Act 5 as a player. I beat Atlantis yesterday and finished the first quest of Act 5. By the way, Corinth in my opinion has the best music of any city or town in the game.

With my Conqueror, I've been investing stat points in a ratio of 2:1. For every two points I put into strength, I put on into dexterity. Physical damage is more important to a conqueror as it is his/her style of damage judging from the available skills. Currently I've put 62 points into strength and 31 into dexterity. If I follow this to the max level, I'll have 124 points in strength and 62 in dexterity, so I'm halfway there now!

Still, there have been some places where I've struggled. I've had some close calls fighting certain monsters such as one of the generals in Hades' Palace and one of the generals in Atlantis. Often I find that the enemies are dealing too much damage to me at once and I'm not dealing enough. Even when I had a weapon with life leech, I wasn't dealing enough damage for the life recovery to be high enough to not depend on potions for healing. This even though I had maxed Onslaught by the middle of Act 4. I've also maxed Weapon Training, Triumph, and Ardor. All other important skills have one point in them, including the Adrenaline tree, Battle Rage, Battle Standard, Batter, Rend Armor, Shield Charge, Hamstring, Disruption, Colossus, Unyielding Phalanx, War Wind, War Horn, Doom Horn, Slam, the Battle Awareness Tree, and the three shield passive attacks. I had tried out Ancestral Horn, but the damage was pitiful so I got rid of it with help from a mystic. When I got to Act 5, I went to the mystic and removed the points I had invested in Dodge Attack and Ignore Pain and then put them into Rally and Defiance for more life recovery, elemental resistances, and damage reflection which would be more useful. I also started buying and wearing items that increased health by flat numbers and percentages. Maybe that's why I had some problems earlier in the game, because I wasn't using certain skills and spending points on skills that I didn't need yet. I think some of those skills are more useful in later difficulties are thus not worth getting in Normal.

What am I doing wrong? Am I going to have problems when using other classes? How can I avoid making the same mistakes with other builds?

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Re: What Am I Doing Wrong?
« Reply #1 on: 21 May 2020, 21:59:10 »
Well, you're not going to be able to max all the skills.  And you don't even need a point in each of them either.  Plus more Dex helps your DA which helps you survive.  Iirc this is what my old Conqueror back when I played the disc version looked like.

https://www.tqcalc.com/TitanCalc738c738c738c.html?mastery=Conquerer&master1=5&master2=3&sa=21&m1=32-8-1-0-6-12-0-0-6-6-6-12-0-0-6-8-6-6-0-1-6-0-0-0-0&m2=32-6-0-8-0-8-6-0-0-0-0-0-0-6-0-0-0-0-0-6-0-0-0-0-0

I don't like having a lot of skills I have to keep pushing buttons for and it's probably not the best build out there.  I got to the end of the game with it though albeit with 60+ deaths, but it was my first toon more or less and I was learning the game at the time. 

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Re: What Am I Doing Wrong?
« Reply #2 on: 22 May 2020, 15:05:27 »
Generals in Hades' Palace have high spike damage so it's perfectly normal if you struggled against them when playing self-found.

Nothing wrong in the way you spent skill points, Onslaught, Weapon Training, Triumph, and Ardor maxxed, are must have skills.
The shield proc Pulverize has to be maxxed also asap. You can consider maxxing Battle standard for boss/hero fights and Focus/quick recovery as soon as you find a good shield.

What is your weapon ? Conqueror heavily depends on gear, in particular weapon and shield. You may improve it by simply making merchant runs.

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Re: What Am I Doing Wrong?
« Reply #3 on: 22 May 2020, 16:36:03 »
How often do merchants change their stock?

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Re: What Am I Doing Wrong?
« Reply #4 on: 22 May 2020, 21:41:24 »
Merchants sell weapons related to the level zone. So if you search for the best upper range, travel between the 2 or 3 last merchants using waypoints. Each time he will propose you a new stock. It may be boring though, so take 5 or 10 mins from time to time, doing such merchant runs. it's rewarding over time.

As a conqueror, ideally what you search is a fast or very fast green weapon with a prefix and a suffix among these:

Prefix:
Cruel (and the upgrades brutal, savage, ferocious): +XX% physical damage, flat OA
Cyclopean (and the upgrades Herculean, titanic): +XX% physical damage, +X% str
Colossal: XX flat damage (excellent on a very fast weapon)
Despot (and the upgrade Tyrant's) +XX% total damage
Relentless: +XX% physical damage, + XX% attack speed
Veteran: + XX % physical damage, + XX% attack speed; +XX% OA

Suffix:
of speed (upgrades of haste, of alacrity) : +XX% attack speed
of carnage (upgrades of destruction, of devastation, of annihilation, of chaos, of havoc): + XX% physical damage, + X flat damage
of devouring: +XX% adcth (don't bother with of feasting too low)
of reckless power: XX% physical damage, XX% attack speed, X% str
of the betrayer (25% chance of XX Reduced resistances)
of trickery (15% AS, 8% dodge)

This list is not exhaustive but iirc is representative of the good perks.
If you search for a veteran weapon of annihilation, you won't find it, the probability of finding such a godly weapon is so tiny... But as you see, there is a broad range of possibilities.
When doing these runs, you can also check for a hallowed head armor (XX % vit res and +1 skill), hale rings (ideally hale ring of immortality).

Another tip is with undeads: check all the completion bonuses when relic/ charms are completed. From time to time you will find a +50% damage to undead (exist also for demons). Therefore it's useful to have a 2nd set of weapon/shield with this bonus. Swap weapon when encountering lots of undeads and life will be easier. Finally don't leave Normal Act 5 without having completed the essence of Persephone tears. Put it on a ring and wear it in epic before entering a big cave full of undeads. Therefore you won't be annoyed with melee undead and you will be able to charge directly to the dangerous mage undeads.

Oh this is a wall text.. I stop here.
Finally note that a green weapon with good affixes is better than any blue and often better than a random purple weapon (of the same level).

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Re: What Am I Doing Wrong?
« Reply #5 on: 27 May 2020, 15:57:42 »
Might want to consider devoting more attention to DEX than you have been. It will increase your Defensive Ability which helps in making mobs miss you and reducing how often you get crit when they do connect. Also, it raises your Offensive Ability as well so you'll hit more, and possibly crit more if your OA is sufficiently higher than your target's DA. So right there that will help both your damage output and your survivability.

Also as Medea said earlier you do not need, nor is it advisable, to get a point in every skill. Figure out which skills work the best for you and go heavy on those; skills you barely ever use or skills that don't seem to suit you, you should see an alchemist and buy those points back and invest them elsewhere.

I don't play War + Def, but I play Def + Dream; I can't speak towards dual-wielding, but, if you like to use shields, I highly suggest investing in the shield passives (Smash, Disable, Pulverize). You might not think so but  shield can put out very nice damage with those passives, possibly exceeding your primary weapon (in a one hit to one hit comparison of course... certainly not in DPS).

Unless you ever plan on using a mace (and apparently axes) I suggest not bothering with that stun passive skill. You're going to want to use fast and very fast weapons and have your attack speed as high as you can; being that you have Warfare, I don't think you'd mind that. The high attack speed will cause the shield passives to proc (occur) more.

I also suggest investing in Rally; it's a nice emergency heal even if you never use it for its passive buffs. Also, I suggest investing in Adrenaline/Resilience/Defensive Reaction. Adrenaline will cause you to boost your health regen when it procs, but it really shines in its higher tiers: Resilience causes Adrenaline to proc more often (all presupposing you take damage, since Adrenaline depends on taking damage) and Defensive Reaction boosts your attack speed and damage (I think it also adds bleeding to your attacks). Even if you don't care about Adrenaline's boost to health regen, you'll want it, and want Resilience, so you can get Defensive Reaction.

Just my thoughts. I'm finishing Act 4 Epic, already finished Atlantis Epic, with heavy Defense investment and it's worked pretty well this way.

Later on, when/if you can get Unyielding Phalanx... Take it. If you get to a point where you got your skills worked out and you can spend some "luxury" skill points, put points in to Phalanx. That skill is straight up broken and stupidly OP in the best way possible... lol... I can only imagine what it would be like coupled with whatever the skill is Warriors get... Ancestral Horn or something?
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Re: What Am I Doing Wrong?
« Reply #6 on: 27 May 2020, 16:01:36 »
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