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Batrachos Greaves - The Fallen Luxury
« on: 28 November 2019, 07:55:19 »
Batrachos Greaves
A sad MI, the star everyone forgot

Base Stats
Before: +120% Defensive Ability, 7% Chance to Dodge Attacks
After: +120 Defensive Ability, 7% Chance to Dodge Attacks

In TQIT, this used to be a highly sought out item but a super rare drop at the same time. Say you have 500 DA, you wear a batrachos and you get it to 1100 DA instantly. Now, you have 500 DA, you only get it to 620.

I get that it used to be OP, but maybe the nerf was too much considering there are many boots now that give more than 120 DA, and way easier to drop too

They nerfed the item big time but the drop chance remained the same, according to
https://tq-db.net/en/equipment/batrachos-greaves-legendary
and
https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titan-quest-most-wanted-monster-infrequents-and-chances-to-get-them-by-kalyan/

Now why would anyone want to farm for this when there are many warrior and mage boots that give about the same DA or higher and easier to drop too?
(leggings of the defiled, myrmidons greaves, boots of freyja, blackbeard's booties, barbarian's greaves, trunks of mogon, etc)

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Re: Batrachos Greaves - The Fallen Luxury
« Reply #1 on: 28 November 2019, 14:10:53 »
1] Devs have proven themselves unable to make thoughtful item balancing like Crate does with Grim Dawn; they only seem to do it in very rare cases

2] Changing singular items is poor for balance; a complete overhaul is necessary. Needless to mention it will never happen because it's time-consuming and can't be monetized

3] Ragnarok items were meant to be part of an higher tier of items, the devs said. Whether it is due to a wish to increase sales or because they are found further in the game is debatable.

4] It's pretty common to see the same 4-5 items reused at the slot X. Removing one or adding one doesn't make much of a difference, does it?

5] 95% of current MIs are not worth farming, and I think it's an heavily biased point of view because it used to be one of your favorite treats. See point 2.

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Re: Batrachos Greaves - The Fallen Luxury
« Reply #2 on: 28 November 2019, 15:41:32 »
4] It's pretty common to see the same 4-5 items reused at the slot X. Removing one or adding one doesn't make much of a difference, does it?
Do you mean players tend to use the same items on slot X (they use a very narrow selection of a huge pool of items), or that the new items from Ragnarok or Atlantis are very similar to existing items ?

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Re: Batrachos Greaves - The Fallen Luxury
« Reply #3 on: 28 November 2019, 15:44:42 »
4] It's pretty common to see the same 4-5 items reused at the slot X. Removing one or adding one doesn't make much of a difference, does it?
Do you mean players tend to use the same items on slot X (they use a very narrow selection of a huge pool of items), or that the new items from Ragnarok or Atlantis are very similar to existing items ?

The item selection is very narrow in the base game. Or at least, for people who take the build-making thing very seriously.

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Re: Batrachos Greaves - The Fallen Luxury
« Reply #4 on: 28 November 2019, 18:14:07 »
My thinking is that there are a lot of items in the base game overall, but very few of them are used by the vast majority of players. This would be because of :
- Most Ragnarok items largely outperform other items and don't even have high requirements to compensate
- A lot of overused items are good all-rounders, and are even better than specialized items when talking about a specific build (they give a lot of resistances, +X to all skills, - % recharge and/or - % energy cost which is basically useful for everyone)
- Some items plainly crush others in terms of pure stats or resistances

Some items like these are everywhere to be seen (not exhaustive list) :

Shields
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/golden-shield-of-pelaron
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/deimos
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/aionios

Artifacts
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/talisman-of-the-jade-emperor

Leg armor
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/demonskin-walkers
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/hervor's-fine-steel
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/discs-of-mani
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/trollwrestler-greaves

Torso armor
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/tunic-of-the-magi
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/plate-of-toutatis

Head armor
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/tracker's-hood
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/crest-of-hypnos

Arm armor
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/stonebinder's-cuffs-legendary
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/gauntlets-of-the-necrolord
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/archmage's-clasp

Rings
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/apollo's-will

Amulets
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/brisingamen
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/torc-of-the-ancestors
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/pendant-of-immortal-rage
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/blessing-of-the-gods

Clubs
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/giant's-tooth

Spears
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/blacksteel-spike-legendary
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/gungnir
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/wild-hunt

Throwing
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/blessing-of-the-moirae
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/chakram-of-the-sun
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/jagged-silk
https://www.tq-db.net/en/equipment/touch-of-nyx

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