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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: nargil66 on 27 October 2017, 01:41:02

Title: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: nargil66 on 27 October 2017, 01:41:02
Ok, I tried to brainstorm some examplar forum tree. It's far from perfect, but it will change with your suggestions or corrections. I think it has to be as simple and effective as it can. This is just a sketch, just share your thoughts and let's make it together :)

Forum Tree

General Category
- Forum News
- Forum Rules
- Forum FAQ
- Forum Issues
- Discussions

Titan Quest - Immortal Throne
- Discussions
- Masteries
- Challenges
- Guides

Titan Quest - Anniversary Edition
- News & Patches
- Discussions
- Masteries
- Challenges
- Guides

Titan Quest Modifications
- Discussions
- Texture Modifications
- Big Modifications
- Mastery Modifications
- Translations
- Fan Patches
- Modding Guides

Titan Quest Tools
-Modding Tools
-Gameplay Tools
-Tool Guides

Foreign Language Forums
-German
-Russian
-Spanish
-etc.

Offtopic
-General Offtopic
-Other Games

Archive
-anything
Title: Re: Re: TQ.net members
Post by: sauruz on 27 October 2017, 09:40:46
Its  Great start, but what you mean by discussion on few topics ?

Also i think , fan patches can be removed, since most of community work is on some kind of mod, our already incluied on AE.
Title: Re: Forum Tree Suggestions
Post by: nargil66 on 27 October 2017, 11:32:37
Corrected. I split this in new topic, since it wasn't on its place on the main one. Thanks for suggestion sauruz. Btw, how do i edit the first post and topic name, it says too much time has has passed?

Forum Tree

Announcements
- Forum News
- Forum Rules
- Forum FAQ

General Category
- Questions & Issues
- Discussions

Titan Quest - Immortal Throne
- Masteries
- Challenges

Titan Quest - Anniversary Edition
- News & Patches
- Masteries
- Challenges

Titan Quest Modifications
- Guides & Tutorials
- Big Modifications
- Mastery Mods
- Texture Mods
- Translations

Titan Quest Tools
-Modding Tools
-Gameplay Tools

Foreign Language Forums
-German
-Russian
-Spanish
-etc.

Offtopic
-General
-Other Games

Archive
-old stuff
Title: Re: TQ.net members
Post by: Prosoro on 27 October 2017, 12:31:51
Nice start Nargil66 :)

Here's my ideas regarding layout.  I've tried to simplify it overall by combining some sections and having sub categories as were appropriate.  There are some things I'm still not sure about though, noted with a question mark.. let me know your thoughts  :P

Also, haven't included the obvious sections like 'Introduce Yourself'; 'Off Topic etc.  I assume we'll be having these too?


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Title: Re: TQ.net members
Post by: nargil66 on 27 October 2017, 13:24:16
Very nice work! You really went in-depth ;D
About the categories with questionmarks, i think we dont need multiplayer section for original game. But technical section is really good idea. Also the trading ones, i never trade with others, so i didnt thought of it. But maybe split trading section and add it to main TQIT and TQAE subforums?
Title: Re: TQ.net members
Post by: sauruz on 27 October 2017, 14:57:10
@nargil66 i edited the post title, mhm not sure maybe its was some issue/ bug on forum post.

@Prosoro , i like how you put the topics , and i enjoyed the megara marketplace name !

Maybe we could do the rest about other titles ? it could add the fun factor! :)
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: nargil66 on 27 October 2017, 17:28:37
Maybe we could do the rest about other titles ? it could add the fun factor! :)
Yeah, that's a very neat idea.  :)
Some names that come in my mind:
General Category or Discussions - Memphis Plaza/ Athens Square
Main Masteries thread - Guild Hall
Different Masteries threads - Warrior's Guild, Hunter's Guild, etc.
Builds and Guides - Spartan Camp/ Training Grounds
Mods - Artisan's Quarters
Challenges - Hall of Heroes
Modding Guides - Rhakotis Library
Foreign Section - Chang'an/City of Babylon
I donno about TQIT and TQAE categories tho.
Or maybe each main forum section can be connected to different Act from the game?
Edit: Archive section can be Realm of Hades :D
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: sauruz on 27 October 2017, 22:43:31
AH AH !

You nailed it @nargil66  its perfect!

 8)
Title: Re: TQ.net members
Post by: efko on 28 October 2017, 00:32:33
Nice start Nargil66 :)

Here's my ideas regarding layout.  I've tried to simplify it overall by combining some sections and having sub categories as were appropriate.  There are some things I'm still not sure about though, noted with a question mark.. let me know your thoughts  :P

Also, haven't included the obvious sections like 'Introduce Yourself'; 'Off Topic etc.  I assume we'll be having these too?


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Last photo can't be seen. Also photobucket is not a friend of forums, so we will avoid using it for important things in future.
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: Prosoro on 28 October 2017, 02:08:41
For the modification section it was..

Titan Quest Modifications –

Maps and the Editor (Dedicated section with Tutorials, Tips & Tricks, Old and New  Projects, Gallery, and perhaps a general discussion sub category)
Quest Modding (Dedicated section with more or less same categories as above)
Art Manager (Key info on how to set up etc, another general discussion forum here would be helpful I think)
Complete Mods (In place of ‘Big Modifications’, a dedicated section to all the existing mods with two main sub categories:
-World Modifications (eg; SoulVizier, Underlord, Lilith, D2Immortal etc)
-Mastery Modifications (eg; Paths, Masteries, Destinies etc)
Other Modifications (sub categories: Texture & Skin Modding / Difficulty Mods
Installation and Tools (Arc Explorer, How-to Install Guides etc)

@nargil66 Those are some fitting titles indeed, I like the Guild and Hall of Heroes ideas.

I do think we need to be careful with maintaining a clear, recognizable section list for the forums.  Adding flavor is kool, but imo I think it could get messy having this for every category. 

Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: nargil66 on 28 October 2017, 10:02:51
Well, we can include both.
For example the masteries threads can be named "The Guild Hall: Titan Quest Masteries" and there will be no confusion i think.
Like in Taleworlds forums, mod section is called "The Caravanserai - Released Warband Mods"
Each section can be related to an area or a city from the game. I'll try making the idea more clear later. 
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: sauruz on 28 October 2017, 10:27:45
I just remenber, some mods only work with disc version ( soulvizer for exemple).
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 29 October 2017, 09:39:06
Yes, mods do need to include the older ones and also the Fanpatch and spectre's patch.  I know most people have switched over to AE, but not everyone.  Some prefer the old game - I know defboy99 said he didn't like the AE so was sticking to his disc version for the time being and there was another member over on TQ.net who also didn't want to change.  Same for tools: we need the old TQDefiler, TQVault, TitanCalc, etc, if we can get them since some players will still be using them.

As for challenges I think it would be better if that's just a separate section since they can be played in either version.  Having them separate like this means having to update two leaderboards whereas under the old system we simply put (AE) against a toon using that version of the game and any which didn't have that were obviously using the disc version.  It also makes it easier for challengers to see how everyone is doing, rather than having to check two sections of the forum.

efko/nargil66, try www.imgur.com.  That works for posting pics here.  I started using it when I couldn't attach jgps as I used to over at TQ.net.
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: efko on 29 October 2017, 16:49:30
Added some boards. Thoughts?
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: nargil66 on 29 October 2017, 18:54:57
Looking good! Maybe it's better for start to make them the general way, like the Masteries board you made. Just add other subforums, to make the site look more complete. Fancy names are just details.
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: efko on 29 October 2017, 19:11:08
Looking good! Maybe it's better for start to make them the general way, like the Masteries board you made. Just add other subforums, to make the site look more complete. Fancy names are just details.
Not sure what do you mean. Dividing them to more categories will only make the things complicated. About fancy names, that can be done later, adding inside the boards board descriptions.
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: nargil66 on 29 October 2017, 20:00:00
I meant main forum categories, not subforums, my bad.
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: efko on 29 October 2017, 20:13:55
Titanquest Fan Forum » General Category » General Discussion » Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
      forum                                 category                   board                                         topic

From my experience, its not good to go with too many categories, one part should be on one side, next one on another and so on. Masteries will have a better preview in the same category, but what I was thinking was even to merge all that boards under since board with name Mastery, but then it won't looks so cool, but it will save a lot of space.
Point of categories is to have at least 2 boards.
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: nargil66 on 30 October 2017, 09:46:38
Well, we really need place for Mod development and challenges, i dont know about other things, but i think it will make the forum alive.
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: sauruz on 30 October 2017, 09:49:41
Yes. I agree

The mods are one of few reaso(s) people still checking the game. And im sure some moods devolopers have great news to share!

Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: efko on 06 November 2017, 23:05:02
Ok, taken under consideration:
http://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=21.msg74#msg74
http://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=21.msg83#msg83

Will work on it soon.

What is supposed to be Challenges board?
Title: Re: TQ.net forum layout ideias
Post by: Typhon on 06 November 2017, 23:22:47
So no General Discussion on its own under General Category?
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: botebote77 on 17 November 2017, 00:17:31
i mostly view this site through my tablet and this is what appears

https://imgur.com/pX4zzMZ

now i suggest we replace general discussions with builds, guides, and info

https://imgur.com/Ur2L8WO

we already have general discussions at the top and bottom anyways and new projects and technical support falls under info

I'm hoping we fill this board with game mechanics guides, heads up news like possibly DLCs in the future and new builds even for TQAE.. i mean new and not the old TQIT builds that's been used gazillions of times

feedback pls?
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: efko on 17 November 2017, 01:10:31
This post is about forum visibility on phones/tablets - forum theme is not responsive. That means it can be a problem for users which use phone/tablet (not 100% sure about tablets). For making theme responsive some guys are taking 40+e.
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: botebote77 on 17 November 2017, 01:56:50
This post is about forum visibility on phones/tablets - forum theme is not responsive. That means it can be a problem for users which use phone/tablet (not 100% sure about tablets). For making theme responsive some guys are taking 40+e.
i checked my pc and the layout is the same.
i know about the responsiveness.. sometimes i refresh the page 10x just to load right.. but I'm not always in front of my pc.. my tablet i can bring with me everywhere
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: botebote77 on 17 November 2017, 10:37:53
this is what i mean

https://imgur.com/V4Em9Jv

might as well replace it
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: sauruz on 17 November 2017, 14:49:17
this is what i mean

https://imgur.com/V4Em9Jv

might as well replace it

Makes sence, i will change it
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: seventh on 19 November 2017, 10:08:47
In my opinion the General Discussion should be the first thing people see whenever they come into the forums. It's intuitive and guides people into the most populated/active part of the forum, which is always great considering we need every single detail to entice people into staying here due to the game's age and small community. The faster someone can reach here and see all the activity the better. I was personally confused that not only was the AE and IT sections separated with a lot of subcategories, but also that General Discussion was a scroll downwards despite being the usual "main hub" for most forums.

Anyhow, happy that there's an attempt to replace good ol' TQ.net. TQ for life ♥!
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 20 November 2017, 09:36:38
seventh, TQIT and TQAE have different sections because things like builds won't necessarily be the same for both versions of the game.  Poinas' Pwning with Spirit guide for example doesn't work particularly well in the AE version so not likely to be a build that people would want to try out if they're playing that version of the game.

Still I agree, I think now everything's laid out General Discussion should be up after the Announcements section and before you get into the different game category stuff. Since it also contains the New Members subsection that would be a better position for it.
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: Malgardian on 25 November 2017, 16:41:27
Just noticed that the gameplay sections of IT and AE have a childboard called "Tutorials". Shouldn't those be called "Guides"? I assume that's their purpose: Guides for Masteries and Characters?

Also, there's no Tutorials section in the Modding forums, is there?
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: efko on 25 November 2017, 17:51:52
Just noticed that the gameplay sections of IT and AE have a childboard called "Tutorials". Shouldn't those be called "Guides"? I assume that's their purpose: Guides for Masteries and Characters?

Also, there's no Tutorials section in the Modding forums, is there?
Waiting for more info and opinions on this.



Btw, I need also more info about Soulvizier, Diablo2 and their mastery tree. Also Underlord, is this Soulvizier or another mod? I don't have information about mentioned 3 mods and their mastery. Also important to know is if something doesn't work on IT or AE.
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: sauruz on 25 November 2017, 19:07:59
underlord was  all mastery change, more skills and points, soulvizer was build around underlord data and added more stuff, like new heroes and  itens, it only work with CD version , IT.

Diablo 2 immortal, it changes the base masteries to the ones from diablo 2 ( paladin, barbarian, necromancer , mage and amazon) with new itens and monsters, it worked with AE, not sure if works with new dlc.
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: efko on 25 November 2017, 19:17:28
underlord was  all mastery change, more skills and points, soulvizer was build around underlord data and added more stuff, like new heroes and  itens, it only work with CD version , IT.

Diablo 2 immortal, it changes the base masteries to the ones from diablo 2 ( paladin, barbarian, necromancer , mage and amazon) with new itens and monsters, it worked with AE, not sure if works with new dlc.
Got it, 1 more question, does any of these mods do changes or prolong the map?
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: sauruz on 25 November 2017, 19:42:53
underlord was  all mastery change, more skills and points, soulvizer was build around underlord data and added more stuff, like new heroes and  itens, it only work with CD version , IT.

Diablo 2 immortal, it changes the base masteries to the ones from diablo 2 ( paladin, barbarian, necromancer , mage and amazon) with new itens and monsters, it worked with AE, not sure if works with new dlc.
Got it, 1 more question, does any of these mods do changes or prolong the map?

underlord/soulvizer added a secret area, thats it, but  both use normal map as their base
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: seventh on 19 March 2019, 19:03:25
Heyo, so I was looking at the forum layout, and I really wanted to propose a new layout that in my opinion will help:

1. Direct new users faster to their desired location
2. Make the forum front page much more concise, making it less intimidating
3. Divide the sections by what a new user will be looking for.

By making the main forum page more concise, a new user would be able to see most sections without even scrolling, making everything clearer and more accessible!
The "Child Boards" part will help players that are looking for more specific things of course, and I think we should preserve all the sub sections (and preserve all main sections--those that are not listed are under their respective categories/main sections)

This is my proposal: (Everything in Bold will be what the user sees upon first glance, basically.)

Announcements
-   News and Information
         -   Forum Announcements
         -   Titan Quest Announcements

General
-   General Discussion
         -   New Members, Streaming and Cool Videos, Developer Discussions
-   Modifications
         -   Maps and Editor, Quest Modding, Art Manager, World Modifications, Other Modifications, Textures and Skin Modding, etc

Masteries
-   Anniversary Edition Masteries
-   Immortal Throne Masteries
-   Mod Masteries AE/IT

         -   Diablo 2 Immortal (AE/IT)
         -   Lilith (AE/IT)
         -   Asylum’s Mod
         -   Destinies
         -   Paths
         -   Legion of Champions (IT)
         -   Underlord (IT)
         -   Solvizier (IT)

New Projects
-   Anniversary Edition Projects
-   Immortal Throne Projects


Technical Support
-   Technical Support
-   Downloads

         -   Anniversary Edition Help
         -   Immortal Throne Help

Non-English
-   Country Boards

Off-topic
-   Around the World

And this is a mockup I made!

(https://i.imgur.com/DRnKx2f.png)

I'm just trying my best to contribute to the community ♥ Hope you guys like this layout!
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: Prosoro on 20 March 2019, 01:08:11
+1 to your suggestions Seventh, much more coherent and user friendly. We've also needed a title to be added for awhile too
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: nargil66 on 20 March 2019, 01:46:25
+2. Having many unnecessary sections on display makes the forum hard to browse.
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: seventh on 20 March 2019, 06:48:22
+1 to your suggestions Seventh, much more coherent and user friendly. We've also needed a title to be added for awhile too
+2. Having many unnecessary sections on display makes the forum hard to browse.

Thanks guys! Glad you guys like it!
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 20 March 2019, 07:23:30
Problem with that is you've lost nearly everything to do with TQIT. The reason we separated everything in the first place was because people often don't label a particular guide, build, etc, as being for AE or IT. 
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: seventh on 20 March 2019, 07:46:50
Problem with that is you've lost nearly everything to do with TQIT. The reason we separated everything in the first place was because people often don't label a particular guide, build, etc, as being for AE or IT.

Hey Medea!

Could you elaborate on what part was lost? I was careful to preserve most sections except the divided General Discussion, which I believe will encourage more conversation as it'll feel like "THE Main Hub".
Even if it's a post clarifying if it's AE or IT, people coming back to post is nice--and even then it would only be for GD. For masteries, which is often required to be very specific due to different balancing, the topics are still divided.

Within the mods section it would be divided as well, it's just together from the outside, so it's faster to find the community creation category if someone is looking for information about Diablo II Immortal, for instance.

And I do have the feeling that I would value easy of use and clarity over people not labeling their question, if I had to compare the two directly as pro and con. I think getting people to feel more encouraged to post is worth the occasional confusion between versions.

I do see where you're coming from, however. Just mentioning why I moved things that way in the proposal!

Cheers for the feedback. :D
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: botebote77 on 20 March 2019, 08:14:13
i have no vote whatsoever  :-X
however, if you guys decide to merge general discussions, i think you should include the console versions too.. like maybe mention in child boards.. there have been few posts about consoles but presently the forum is only divided between TQIT and AE/R
i do like the title on the mock pic btw
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 20 March 2019, 08:48:07
IT General Discussion and Gameplay and the Challenges are missing.

Maybe more like this:

Announcements
-   News and Information
         -   Forum Announcements
         -   Titan Quest Announcements

General
-   General Discussion
         -   AE General Discussion, Gameplay, New Members, Streaming and Cool Videos, Developer Discussions, Challenges for all versions of the game
         -   IT General Discussion, Gameplay
-   Modifications
         -   AE Maps and Editor, Quest Modding, Art Manager, World Modifications, Other Modifications, Textures and Skin Modding, etc
         -   IT Maps and Editor, Quest Modding, Art Manager, World Modifications, Other Modifications, Textures and Skin Modding, etc
Masteries
-   Anniversary Edition Masteries
-   Immortal Throne Masteries
-   Mod Masteries AE
-   Mod Masteries IT

New Projects
-   Anniversary Edition Projects
-   Immortal Throne Projects

Technical Support
-   Technical Support
-   Downloads
         -   Anniversary Edition Help
         -   Immortal Throne Help

Non-English
-   Country Boards

Off-topic
-   Around the World

Good point botebote77.  Not sure how far we want to go with the console side of things.  Not against it by any means, but do we just limit it to discussions only or are we going to get into guides, builds, etc for those as well?  Since I don't use consoles I've no idea how different such things may be for those.
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: botebote77 on 20 March 2019, 09:31:25
i have no idea either except
https://www.reddit.com/r/TitanQuestAE/comments/azuyxf/update_on_the_future_of_titan_quest/
Pieces Interactive is now taking over console updates
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: seventh on 20 March 2019, 09:34:32
IT General Discussion and Gameplay and the Challenges are missing.

Maybe more like this:

Announcements
-   News and Information
         -   Forum Announcements
         -   Titan Quest Announcements

General
-   General Discussion
         -   AE General Discussion, Gameplay, New Members, Streaming and Cool Videos, Developer Discussions, Challenges for all versions of the game
         -   IT General Discussion, Gameplay
-   Modifications
         -   AE Maps and Editor, Quest Modding, Art Manager, World Modifications, Other Modifications, Textures and Skin Modding, etc
         -   IT Maps and Editor, Quest Modding, Art Manager, World Modifications, Other Modifications, Textures and Skin Modding, etc
Masteries
-   Anniversary Edition Masteries
-   Immortal Throne Masteries
-   Mod Masteries AE
-   Mod Masteries IT

New Projects
-   Anniversary Edition Projects
-   Immortal Throne Projects

Technical Support
-   Technical Support
-   Downloads
         -   Anniversary Edition Help
         -   Immortal Throne Help

Non-English
-   Country Boards

Off-topic
-   Around the World

Good point botebote77.  Not sure how far we want to go with the console side of things.  Not against it by any means, but do we just limit it to discussions only or are we going to get into guides, builds, etc for those as well?  Since I don't use consoles I've no idea how different such things may be for those.

Oh, my bad!

The Child Boards sections weren't elaborate on both text and visual mockups since I just focused on the big categories and how it would affect "first glance" visibility. I just thought we would try to preserve the division as much as possible within the child boards, but merging the "overarching categories".

But I think your suggested changes are perfect.

I don't think having both Mod Masteries AE and Mod Masteries IT in the main page will increase "clutter" by any.
In fact, I do believe having both be called "Mod Masteries XX" adds to the feeling of nicely ordered content.

So in short I 100% agree the child boards should or could be divided into AE and IT. I was thinking of merging them, but however you think is best, I'm no moderator after all, I'm just doing it purely from the point of a user-friendly maximization, I would say.

Oh and for the New Projects seems like I forgot to divide the image-mockup, but I do agree that they should be separate! (I separated them in the text version of the proposal)

Thanks for the input! :D
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 20 March 2019, 09:58:28
i have no idea either except
https://www.reddit.com/r/TitanQuestAE/comments/azuyxf/update_on_the_future_of_titan_quest/
Pieces Interactive is now taking over console updates

Yes, Black Forest Games seem to need their resources elsewhere so Pieces are taking over the console work and also the beta testing patch.

IT General Discussion and Gameplay and the Challenges are missing.

Maybe more like this:

Announcements
-   News and Information
         -   Forum Announcements
         -   Titan Quest Announcements

General
-   General Discussion
         -   AE General Discussion, Gameplay, New Members, Streaming and Cool Videos, Developer Discussions, Challenges for all versions of the game
         -   IT General Discussion, Gameplay
-   Modifications
         -   AE Maps and Editor, Quest Modding, Art Manager, World Modifications, Other Modifications, Textures and Skin Modding, etc
         -   IT Maps and Editor, Quest Modding, Art Manager, World Modifications, Other Modifications, Textures and Skin Modding, etc
Masteries
-   Anniversary Edition Masteries
-   Immortal Throne Masteries
-   Mod Masteries AE
-   Mod Masteries IT

New Projects
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Good point botebote77.  Not sure how far we want to go with the console side of things.  Not against it by any means, but do we just limit it to discussions only or are we going to get into guides, builds, etc for those as well?  Since I don't use consoles I've no idea how different such things may be for those.

Oh, my bad!

The Child Boards sections weren't elaborate on both text and visual mockups since I just focused on the big categories and how it would affect "first glance" visibility. I just thought we would try to preserve the division as much as possible within the child boards, but merging the "overarching categories".

But I think your suggested changes are perfect.

I don't think having both Mod Masteries AE and Mod Masteries IT in the main page will increase "clutter" by any.
In fact, I do believe having both be called "Mod Masteries XX" adds to the feeling of nicely ordered content.

So in short I 100% agree the child boards should or could be divided into AE and IT. I was thinking of merging them, but however you think is best, I'm no moderator after all, I'm just doing it purely from the point of a user-friendly maximization, I would say.

Oh and for the New Projects seems like I forgot to divide the image-mockup, but I do agree that they should be separate! (I separated them in the text version of the proposal)

Thanks for the input! :D


Not sure we actually need a New Projects for IT - that section is empty atm - but we can always remove it later if nothing happens with it.
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: mammoth_hunter on 20 March 2019, 13:07:01
Good thing you're reconsidering this. I'm sure, the reason general is the "main hub" is because 90% of people are confused or not even aware the others exist. People see "mod" written all over it and stop at that. Definitely separate mods from masteries.
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: efko on 26 March 2019, 01:44:45
Hey guys, all suggestions are not ignored and for long time I was thinking to little re-organize it, but some facts should not be ignored:
1. We don't want to go with boards which have child-boards inside child-board, that makes those not visible and searching very difficult even for very experienced SMF members, so if something is not visible, that means completely inactive board.
2. We have Tags system in every topic and Tags page, I have to check permissions again, but that it is supposed to help users to navigate, but it require help from everyone so more relevant tags should lead to important topics. https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?action=tags
3. Anniversary Edition and Immortal Throne have to be separated. More confusion if they will share same space.
4. AE and IT Masteries have to be separated, and also each mastery should be separated with classes displayed so users can easily find everything they need. It was really hard job to find each class name from mastery mods and then to create board (child-board) for each.
5. Kirmiziperfect site with redirect have to stay since its official place to read or download mods and stuff, also our good friend.


Starting with Boards organization:
- There is no need to change how Announcements are organized, 1st is forum info for which I failed to go with regular updates, but that was main idea, and 2nd is important game info which is left to Medea since I'm not involved that much in game related things.
- General, purpose of this board is to be place to discuss about everything related to forum, game, members, some cool stuff, questions and answers. I would not touch much this category.
Titan Quest - Anniversary Edition/Ragnarök, here can be done some changes, I can make it shorter, so under "Anniversary Edition - General discussion" as child-boards can go "Technical Support" and "Lilith map AE" (lilith can go inside Custom maps where can have its own child-board as well),  "Diablo 2 Immortal AE" can be removed. Now about New Projects and Legion of Champions AE, maybe to change place to place LOC to be last on the list since that way it should be easier to notice, but 1 place bellow also means that someone won't see it if not scroll enough to bottom.
 - Anniversary Edition - Mastery Mods - will be renamed to "Anniversary Edition - Masteries" this has the most important role on forum, in combination with Tags any member can easier navigate to find what he is searching for, also for many mods most of us have no clue about mastery classes, so this is there to help. Also discussions about mastery which player is playing should be in main mastery board or in child-boards for each mastery class. Plan is to expand Masteries list when new masteries project became official, when testing phase is finished.
- Titan Quest - Immortal Throne, similar to AE, as child-boards of "Immortal Throne - General discussion" can go " New Projects " and " Technical Support ", bellow Modifications should be "Gameplay", then "Lilith map IT" with new child board "Custom Maps" where users can finally see their options for more maps to play.  "Underlord IT", I believe that is now Soulvizier, was searching for Underlord info but found nothing, so I guess there is nothing about Underlord to find.
- Immortal Throne - Mastery Mods - same as for AE, " Immortal Throne - Masteries".
- Downloads, I'm against removing it since creator of kirmiziperfect site is with us from beginning, he wanted to help community, helped a lot to save all important stuff that was found from old site or content which other members had. It has to be 2x downloads, 1 for AE and 1 for IT with link to his site in description so users can see where they will be redirected, also it is confirmed that his site is safe source to use to download or read stuff.
- Markets of Megara - can be moved as child boards of Gameplay for both IT and AE.
- About offtopic boards bellow, Anniversary child-board should be added for birthdays and similar stuff?



About console versions as you wish guys, we can make however you decide, just think how it should be done and present idea. It can even go between AE and IT, there probably won't be need to go with masteries like it is for AE and IT.

Definitely our #1 problem so far is "mastery mod"="mod", that bring confusion and should be changed to just Masteries or Mastery.
I gave my vision, provided some details what should not be changed and how to keep some things, but to little re-organize forum.
Opinions? Also if possible, @seventh please try to make new image from my post like you did here, see spoiler bellow https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=21.msg10510#msg10510 ,
(https://i.imgur.com/DRnKx2f.png)
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: seventh on 28 March 2019, 05:49:22
Hey guys, all suggestions are not ignored and for long time I was thinking to little re-organize it, but some facts should not be ignored:
1. We don't want to go with boards which have child-boards inside child-board, that makes those not visible and searching very difficult even for very experienced SMF members, so if something is not visible, that means completely inactive board.
2. We have Tags system in every topic and Tags page, I have to check permissions again, but that it is supposed to help users to navigate, but it require help from everyone so more relevant tags should lead to important topics. https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?action=tags
3. Anniversary Edition and Immortal Throne have to be separated. More confusion if they will share same space.
4. AE and IT Masteries have to be separated, and also each mastery should be separated with classes displayed so users can easily find everything they need. It was really hard job to find each class name from mastery mods and then to create board (child-board) for each.
5. Kirmiziperfect site with redirect have to stay since its official place to read or download mods and stuff, also our good friend.


Starting with Boards organization:
- There is no need to change how Announcements are organized, 1st is forum info for which I failed to go with regular updates, but that was main idea, and 2nd is important game info which is left to Medea since I'm not involved that much in game related things.
- General, purpose of this board is to be place to discuss about everything related to forum, game, members, some cool stuff, questions and answers. I would not touch much this category.
Titan Quest - Anniversary Edition/Ragnarök, here can be done some changes, I can make it shorter, so under "Anniversary Edition - General discussion" as child-boards can go "Technical Support" and "Lilith map AE" (lilith can go inside Custom maps where can have its own child-board as well),  "Diablo 2 Immortal AE" can be removed. Now about New Projects and Legion of Champions AE, maybe to change place to place LOC to be last on the list since that way it should be easier to notice, but 1 place bellow also means that someone won't see it if not scroll enough to bottom.
 - Anniversary Edition - Mastery Mods - will be renamed to "Anniversary Edition - Masteries" this has the most important role on forum, in combination with Tags any member can easier navigate to find what he is searching for, also for many mods most of us have no clue about mastery classes, so this is there to help. Also discussions about mastery which player is playing should be in main mastery board or in child-boards for each mastery class. Plan is to expand Masteries list when new masteries project became official, when testing phase is finished.
- Titan Quest - Immortal Throne, similar to AE, as child-boards of "Immortal Throne - General discussion" can go " New Projects " and " Technical Support ", bellow Modifications should be "Gameplay", then "Lilith map IT" with new child board "Custom Maps" where users can finally see their options for more maps to play.  "Underlord IT", I believe that is now Soulvizier, was searching for Underlord info but found nothing, so I guess there is nothing about Underlord to find.
- Immortal Throne - Mastery Mods - same as for AE, " Immortal Throne - Masteries".
- Downloads, I'm against removing it since creator of kirmiziperfect site is with us from beginning, he wanted to help community, helped a lot to save all important stuff that was found from old site or content which other members had. It has to be 2x downloads, 1 for AE and 1 for IT with link to his site in description so users can see where they will be redirected, also it is confirmed that his site is safe source to use to download or read stuff.
- Markets of Megara - can be moved as child boards of Gameplay for both IT and AE.
- About offtopic boards bellow, Anniversary child-board should be added for birthdays and similar stuff?



About console versions as you wish guys, we can make however you decide, just think how it should be done and present idea. It can even go between AE and IT, there probably won't be need to go with masteries like it is for AE and IT.

Definitely our #1 problem so far is "mastery mod"="mod", that bring confusion and should be changed to just Masteries or Mastery.
I gave my vision, provided some details what should not be changed and how to keep some things, but to little re-organize forum.
Opinions? Also if possible, @seventh please try to make new image from my post like you did here, see spoiler bellow https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=21.msg10510#msg10510 ,
(https://i.imgur.com/DRnKx2f.png)

Hey efko,

Sure, I could try my hand at that again, though could you lay out what you would want on the main page like I did on my list? Currently I'm struggling a bit to have a mental image of what your version of the layout would look like.

Similarly, I'll mark my list in the spoiler tag. But this would be what I need to make a good mock-up. Of course something like this, but with what you think is best.

Cheers.
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Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: efko on 11 May 2019, 22:26:35
Boards updated. Check for forum changes guys and let me know what do you think, what to add and more.
Now my questions, shall we merge General category with and into Announcements category?
Ragnarok and Atlantis should be like now, or they should be outside AE. If like now, what to do next, to fill board with more child boards or not, with other words shall we completely divide Ragnarok, Atlantis and AE as 3 separated games or just to organize them?
Title: Re: TQ Fans Forum Layout Ideas
Post by: sauruz on 11 May 2019, 23:26:27
I would say maybe put Ragnarok and Atlantis as child boards to AE