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Titan Quest - Anniversary Edition/Ragnarök => Anniversary Edition - General discussion => Topic started by: Pazuzu on 31 December 2017, 21:53:58

Title: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Pazuzu on 31 December 2017, 21:53:58
I was about to buy TQ Anniversary edition from steam but then i saw titan quest ragnarok. Can anoyone tell me what is going on?

What is the difference between the 2 games? I have only played TQ vanilla and IT so i dont know anything about those expansions.

Which one do you all play?
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Typhon on 31 December 2017, 21:56:19
Ragnarok is just an expansion, it requires TQ Anniversary Edition to even be played. So I suggest buying Titan Quest AE then Ragnarok. I, as of now, am only playing Anniversary Edition without Ragnarok.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Pazuzu on 31 December 2017, 22:00:53
Hey Typhon thanks for the reply. Does TQ anniversary support all the goodies like tq vault and tq defiler etc? Does anyone still play TQ IT?
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Typhon on 31 December 2017, 22:12:37
I'm sure people still play TQ IT through means like Gameranger or whatever else enables multiplayer on older games, since Gamespy servers went down (I only ever played Singleplayer.) I've heard many people say that TQ Vault still works but Ol' Defiler doesn't seem to work with it. It still detects your characters, however, and allows you to change their stats but mods and all that that was pre-installed with the program don't work due to it not being able to find the game.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 01 January 2018, 11:01:23
Pazuzu, the AE version is a 10th Anniversay one that Nordic put out to celebrate 10 years of TQ which was released in 2006.  It has both TQ and IT, it's all one game now with that version plus things like the Bugfix Patch and spectre's patch for the patch are included.  The Ragnarök expansion only came out a few weeks ago and adds an Act 5 set in the northern countries and has a new Rune mastery too.  TQDefiler doesn't work with the AE or expansion as far as I know, though you can see your toons still - whether you can edit I don't know since I never use it for that.  GDDefiler will work with AE - but doesn't have the various mods like freeze time of day, etc, in it yet, but doesn't recognise toons that have been in the expansion.

TQVault that works with the expansion is here:

http://titanquest.4fansites.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12241

or here:

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titan-quest-anniversary-edition-caravan-xl-mod/

There's an updated TitanCalc for AE and the expansion here:

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titan-quest-anniversary-edition-calculator/

As for the TQCollector - only the gods know when anyone will update that again.   There is an updated version for AE here:

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titan-quest-anniversary-edition-tq-collector-tool/

but it was already missing about 6-7 items before the expansion came out.

Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Pazuzu on 01 January 2018, 11:21:18
I bought the anniversary edition for now, im giving it a try. Yea it is more balanced from what i can see. I think there is no point in buying ragnarok for now, maybe i ll consider it whenever i finish act 4.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Giant2005 on 01 January 2018, 14:22:20
Pazuzu, the AE version is a 10th Anniversay one that Nordic put out to celebrate 10 years of TQ which was released in 2006.  It has both TQ and IT, it's all one game now with that version plus things like the Bugfix Patch and spectre's patch for the patch are included.  The Ragnarök expansion only came out a few weeks ago and adds an Act 5 set in the northern countries and has a new Rune mastery too.  TQDefiler doesn't work with the AE or expansion as far as I know, though you can see your toons still - whether you can edit I don't know since I never use it for that.  GDDefiler will work with AE - but doesn't have the various mods like freeze time of day, etc, in it yet, but doesn't recognise toons that have been in the expansion.

TQVault that works with the expansion is here:

http://titanquest.4fansites.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12241

or here:

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titan-quest-anniversary-edition-caravan-xl-mod/

There's an updated TitanCalc for AE and the expansion here:

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titan-quest-anniversary-edition-calculator/

As for the TQCollector - only the gods know when anyone will update that again.   There is an updated version for AE here:

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titan-quest-anniversary-edition-tq-collector-tool/

but it was already missing about 6-7 items before the expansion came out.

I don't know if anyone else has had the same experiences as me, but I was not a fan of TQVault XL at all. The version I downloaded from kirmiziperfect was a mess (with the expansion). It had huge chunks of missing data which prevented me from even using a lot of my stash tabs.
If anyone else is having issues with it, I'd much more recommend TQVault (sans XL - the XL is basically useless now anyway considering the default TQVault is of the same size). It is updated for Ragnarok without the missing data points. It can be found here: https://github.com/EtienneLamoureux/TQVaultAE/releases (https://github.com/EtienneLamoureux/TQVaultAE/releases)
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Malgardian on 01 January 2018, 17:11:06
As for the TQCollector - only the gods know when anyone will update that again.

Hmm, I wonder ;)

In all seriousness: I'll probably post a beta version with Ragnarök support sometime this week.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 01 January 2018, 18:54:40
That is great news Malgardian.  :)  It's such a useful tool for seeing what you've got so far and what's missing.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Pazuzu on 01 January 2018, 19:04:16
It is interesting that all my old tq data and even the shared vault are there.  Do we know if the old tq vault can be used with AE? Also have there been changes to sets and items? i saw a kingly preffix earlier so i guess they put them back to the game, although it did not have the imba stats of the old. If anyone can give me a detailed post about the changes in ae id really appreciat it. BTW i have already read the short post of nordic games about what AE is all about, im just looking for a more detailed review about it.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 02 January 2018, 10:53:53
No, the old Vault won't work with AE.  You need one of the new ones.

Yes, things like "of the Betrayer" and "of the Siren" are back in the game.

Changelogs are here:

http://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=48.0
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: botebote77 on 08 January 2018, 11:54:40
only 1 problem with tqvault.. i recently updated to 2.5.3 and this is what appears

(https://i.imgur.com/n672JpL.png)

it was too late that i realized i couldnt select Equipment, Transfer, and Storage tabs.. i filled it up already i'm hesitating to downgrade because i might lose my items
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 08 January 2018, 12:26:57
Go into MyDocuments\My Games\Titan Quest (not TQIT)\TQVaultData and save that as a backup somewhere.  I put mine on a key drive.  That should keep all your items safe.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Pazuzu on 08 January 2018, 13:00:19
Any link on new tq vault? would my old TQ Vault items work in the new tqvault if i wanted to twink?
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 08 January 2018, 13:25:56
Pazuzu, you should find it on kirmiziperfect.com under the TQAE section.  And yes, it will recognise your old game items.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Malgardian on 08 January 2018, 17:10:05
For those of you who want to try it out while I try to figure out github: https://www.dropbox.com/s/te3vowyarbecbck/TQCRbeta.zip?dl=0  8)
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 08 January 2018, 19:52:59
Before I download it Malgardian just want to check that it goes in the same place as the old TQCollector does.  Mine's in C:\Program Files (x86)\TQ Collector.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Pazuzu on 09 January 2018, 00:07:54
Gonna try to put tqvault and see how it goes. I was wondering if after installing it  i could somehow paste my old tqvault data in the new one or is there another way

@Malgardian great, thanks for the link!
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Malgardian on 09 January 2018, 02:11:09
@Medea Just put the unpacked folder whereever you like. This version is self-contained and runs from anywhere.

Let me know if there's any problems. I wrote BeaverusIV on github to ask whether he wants to make a new version with my changes or not (in which case I would make a proper thread and release).
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 09 January 2018, 07:19:16
Gonna try to put tqvault and see how it goes. I was wondering if after installing it  i could somehow paste my old tqvault data in the new one or is there another way

@Malgardian great, thanks for the link!

Pazuzu, if the info is still on your machine it should transfer automatically to the new one, I've not had any problems when I've changed to various versions of the Vault.  If you've backed it up and removed it from your machine then once it's installed go to My Documents\My Games\Titan Quest (not TQIT)\TQVaultData and paste the info there.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 09 January 2018, 09:32:40
That seems to have installed fine Malgardian.  :)  I think you're missing one Blue set that I know of though - it was also missing in the updated AE version of the Collector as I think it was added to the game after that was done.  It's a set called Agent of the Order and consists of the following:

(https://i.imgur.com/jdaz1Ty.jpg)

As far as I know it's still in the game since I have a copy in my Vault of the Helm.  I assume it would have disappeared from the Vault if it didn't exist ingame anymore.

Let me know what BeaverusIV says.  If he's happy to let you do it then I'll set up the TQCollector thread again and all us packrats can start boasting about all our new finds.  I have 17 new ones so far.  ;D
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: botebote77 on 09 January 2018, 12:41:58
it's still in the game and as far as i know, no monster/boss drops it.. i think it's also what this line in the AE changelog refers to

+ Added a new item set that can be acquired by completing quests

perhaps that's why the original creator forgot to include it.. i think the quest is order of Prometheus.. also, having all the pieces just proves you have a lot of characters :)

(perhaps this is why i really don't use tqcollector.. it just reminds me most of the time i sell items before having a good think about it.. selling all my the frail is one of my biggest regrets.. it should be very good for a mage dreamkiller)
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 09 January 2018, 13:03:35
Um, that may be the reason botebote77.  I know whoever did the update for the Collector for AE did it right after it was first released, but then moved on to other things.  I found the helm sometime later.  Can't remember how I got it now though.

The only reason I had all the pieces was that I made the set up in the Vault so I could show the pieces in the AE Collector thread to report it to the makers and also to show it in the TQCollector progression thread we had where we boasted of our finds.  After I made the composite screenshot I deleted all the pieces except for the original helm.  So I only have the one piece of it now.  But yeah I do have a lot of TQ toons: 74 at the moment, though not all those are or will be played in future.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: botebote77 on 09 January 2018, 13:30:31
and out of curiosity, i decided to check tq-db (https://www.tq-db.net/set/agent-of-the-order) and this is what appears under loot table:

"No bosses seem to drop this item, it is probably dropped by regular mobs, or a quest reward. These haven't been indexed yet, but will be soon. See here for progress."
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Pazuzu on 09 January 2018, 14:33:05
 i guess the ragnarok items arent there either?

i have some items in the vault for example hale malachite charm of power. but in game the malachite prefix is not visible.  I guess this requires defiler to show all affixes? but there is no defiler right now
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Malgardian on 09 January 2018, 15:06:46
Thanks Medea, I'll add that one too.

@Pazuzu: Malachite is not a prefix, it's just a type of charm/ring/whatever similar to "wooden shield". And the Ragnarök items are included!?

Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 09 January 2018, 16:53:54
Pazuzu as Malgardian said.  "Hale" is the prefix and "of power" the suffix.  Malachite is just the descriptie name of a type of item in the same way that Pine, Ash and Oak are.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Malgardian on 09 January 2018, 17:49:32
Turns out there's 9 more sets I missed, because they are new sets consisting of old items. One of them with a missing nametag (hephaestus set).
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: MedeaFleecestealer on 09 January 2018, 19:26:47
Yes, there were a few items that looked like they should have been sets, but never were.  Dienekes' Shade, Gauntlets of Impacable Will, Armour of the Tireless Soldier and Dienekes' Iron Boots was one of them.  Psionic Projector, Darkseer, Seerwraps and Bracelet of Prophecy was another.  Still not sets according to TQVault, but they look like they should.
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: sauruz on 09 January 2018, 21:27:15
That seems to have installed fine Malgardian.  :)  I think you're missing one Blue set that I know of though - it was also missing in the updated AE version of the Collector as I think it was added to the game after that was done.  It's a set called Agent of the Order and consists of the following:

(https://i.imgur.com/jdaz1Ty.jpg)

As far as I know it's still in the game since I have a copy in my Vault of the Helm.  I assume it would have disappeared from the Vault if it didn't exist ingame anymore.

Let me know what BeaverusIV says.  If he's happy to let you do it then I'll set up the TQCollector thread again and all us packrats can start boasting about all our new finds.  I have 17 new ones so far.  ;D

That set can be obtain when you save the agent of prometheus from dune raiders in act 2, i had the shield drop from that mission
Title: Re: What should i buy? TQ AE or Ragnarok?
Post by: Pazuzu on 10 January 2018, 01:42:06
Yes you are right i named it in a wrong way, its just a name for an item, but in any case its not visible in game.  I guess we could call it it item family or origin.