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House of Flying Daggers Build
« on: 27 October 2017, 04:39:53 »
This is a guide for the TQAE version of the bladeflinger build.

I think most pros already know of this but i just haven't found a guide for the AE version yet so i decided to just make 1 (this is different from the TQIT version).

This is a guide for those who have reached at least epic difficulty. Beginners can also do this but it'll take much longer for your character to take shape.

Ok let's start. A knifethrower is a rogue who uses throwing knives as main attack. You can have earth or storm as your 2nd mastery for some elemental damage (your a caster anyway). Many players don't know it yet but rogue is actually a very good caster. For my char i chose storm but I'm sure you can go with earth as well

Pros: Kills really fast and every attack is AOE/CC

Cons: energy probs and you're a glass cannon so don't get too close to mobs

Your very first target is to reach lvl 25 with whatever you have by just pumping dex (no strength). That's doable, right? you can add int so your staff (if you decide to go with staff) can do more damage but what you really need to pump is dex. You need 297 dex by lvl 25. You'll need to pre-farm SB cuffs (epic version) and an amulet that gives +2 to rogue (merchants sell it). Both items have a char lvl requirement of 25.. you need 297 dex to wear epic SB cuffs.

By lvl 25, your char should look like this:

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titancalc-anniversary-edition/TitanCalc9128.html?mastery=Sorcerer&master1=6&master2=8&sa=0&m1=32-0-0-1-12-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-1-1-0-0-6-0&m2=4-0-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0

That's just lvl 21 but you get the idea. You should max throwing knives and flurry of knives as early as possible.

When you get to lvl 25, the fun finally starts. You'll be a true knifethrower. Your throwing knives will have zero recharge. Set it as your RMB and you can just spam it. You'll need lots of energy pots but that's not really a problem. You can enhance your amulet with spectral matter to help a little bit with your energy probs. By epic, most monsters have energy so you can leech energy and you don't have to carry much energy pots. You'll eventually want to max mandrake and nightshade so your attack itself is a CC. Storm nimbus tree or earth enchantment tree (whichever 2nd mastery you want) for some elemental damage. After pumping dex, you need to pump int. Storm Nimbus only gives puny elemental damage.. for one knife projectile that is. We're talking lots and lots of projectiles here. Trust me, it's worth it for this build. Endgame your char should look like this:

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titancalc-anniversary-edition/TitanCalc9128.html?mastery=Sorcerer&master1=6&master2=8&sa=0&m1=32-0-0-12-12-1-8-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-12-8-8-0-0-6-0-0&m2=32-0-10-1-0-8-1-0-12-0-0-0-6-12-0-0-1-1-0-8-0-0

or

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titancalc-anniversary-edition/TitanCalc85ef.html?mastery=Magician&master1=6&master2=1&sa=0&m1=32-0-0-12-12-1-8-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-12-8-8-0-0-6-0-0-0&m2=32-12-0-8-1-0-0-1-0-0-10-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-12-0-12-0-0

You'll eventually want to replace your epic SB cuffs with the legendary version (385 dex). You need int and dex for damage of course. Disarm traps is a good 1 point wonder skill to have here. Traps and constructs are immune to bleed and poison. Disarm traps take care of that and with your gear it becomes lvl 5. Definitely a good 1 point wonder

There you have it. Very easy to make and very easy to farm gear. You'll be surprised that it actually kills fast

notes: you need 120 str to wear epic SB cuffs and 144 for legendary.. just wear items that give some + to str.. casting speed from items is also good for this build.. you can also add a few points to strength to open more options for your other items but in my case i never needed to.. rogue mastery gives +56 to str anyways so that's 106 str with no items.. resistance reduction not from a weapon (like Polaris or monkey kings trickery) is gold for this build (actually it's a must in legendary)


Now this is only for the mage version. I have also tried this with a knifethrower assassin and illusionist. Though for those builds, throwing knife is only used to reduce resistances and to proc granted skills. See here for a knifethrower Illusionist. For a knifethrower assassin, you have to stack CDR so you'll be able to spam battle standard. Traps deal really good damage with battle standard. You also have to wear Key of Elysium (2 KOEs if you have) to summon ancestral warriors. It procs with knives and the recharge is only 6 seconds so you can summon multiple warriors. Now wear a mbutis advocate on secondary to proc study prey (it also procs with knives). It's like an assassin version of the petmaster champion. It's more gear intensive and harder to make but it's also more powerful imo

https://m.imgur.com/account/botebote77/images/5GJWfu5

update for ragnarok:

Dex requirement for epic SB cuffs has been raised to 307 and 425 for legendary version. Str requirement likewise has been raised to 132 for epic and 170 for legendary. Doesn’t really mean much because lvl requirement is still the same. Just have to focus on dex and str more.

This is actually playable self-found even for new players but a different route is needed. New players start with int instead of dex and become an ice-sharder. Of course storm would be the first mastery to take. When you finally have +4 to all skills or at least to rogue, start putting points in dex and eventually respec to throwing knives. You can also put some points in dex earlier like late normal or early epic for preparation for epic SB cuffs.

What does throwing knives offer that ice shards doesn’t? Better damage, confusion, higher DA because of dex, ability to life/mana steal, and access to spear or throwing weapons again because of dex
« Last Edit: 08 January 2018, 00:11:07 by botebote77 »
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Re: House of Flying Daggers Build
« Reply #1 on: 27 October 2017, 05:52:35 »
i wonder how this pairs with rune mastery
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Re: House of Flying Daggers Build
« Reply #2 on: 30 November 2017, 14:36:05 »
Nice thread, botebote77! ;D Just a few questions:

1- In the old version the "Chance to Pass Through Enemies" was 100%, from Skill Level 1. Throwing knives was insanely fun. 

Comparatively in AE the Chance to Pass Through Enemies has been now set to 10%! And I'm not even talking about the Energy cost of the synergy, Flurry of of Knives, which has been increased a lot in the new version (cost x3!). This is a notable nerf.

So my question is: how this knive build fares comparatively to Immortal Throne?

2- What's your favourite 2d Mastery for this build?

Note: sorry I didn't notice your great post  earlier. ^^
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Re: House of Flying Daggers Build
« Reply #3 on: 01 December 2017, 09:28:20 »
thnx, this is actually my fave character

1) i actually think the nerf to 10% chance was necessary.. if not this would be too OP.. as compared to the TQIT version, i think that kills faster but the 2 are completely different in gear and stat optimization.. this knifethrower is dex/int.. before, it was mostly int and only little dex.. so this at least has more DA.. the DoT damage is actually good but resist reduction is necessary in legendary.. TQIT version was also very gear dependant.. this one is easier to equip and you become a knifethrower much earlier.. storm nimbus isn't even necessary early game because even undeads die from DoT in normal.. regarding energy cost, that's not much of an issue if you have energy leech.. actually i remember when i switched to ragnarok, i had to kill Hades again and i forgot to restack energy pots, so when i got to Hades i have no energy pots left.. i still killed him with no problems even with zero energy pots :) (and underlevelled because i skipped act 5 normal and epic)

2) well as i said this is my fave char.. but i haven't tried magician yet and i feel it would be fun too spreading knives with eruption in the middle.. and i feel undeads are weak against fire.. in my case, i cast squall, spread knives, then cast lightning bolt.. but the lightning bolt is just because i encountered that same question most of us encounter late in the game: "where do i put all these skill points at?"

ps: btw my mage haruspex build was partly inspired by your avenger and also as a response to those who say casters are weak in this game.. so thank you for that (i read it way way way before you post it here)
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Re: House of Flying Daggers Build
« Reply #4 on: 11 December 2017, 04:40:48 »
i wonder how this pairs with rune mastery

At the very least, it doesn't get any of its damage turned to elemental by Transmutation. Probably because Transmutation looks for basic physical damage, and the knives are piercing/bleeding instead. This means the Bolt Trap also stays untransmuted.

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Re: House of Flying Daggers Build
« Reply #5 on: 29 December 2017, 04:25:20 »
I plan on making myself a new Knife Thrower but I'm having a had time choosing a second mastery.
My last was Storm and focused more on Int and Elemental Damage over Piercing. However Warfare offers a lot too - Warfare that focuses on Strength and Physical Damage might be the better route; especially considering focusing on Strength will make the Incarnation of the Rage of Ares even more powerful (and that thing is powerful enough to deserve to be used regardless).
The way I see it, defensively they come out basically a wash: Squall + Energy shield = Dodge + Battle Standard.
Offensively seems close, but I think I'd give it to Warfare primarily based on Str's damage scaling being superior to Int's and Study Prey (via Mbuti's Advocate effecting physical but not elemental): Storm Nimbus + Squall + Summon Wisp + Int < Battle Standard + Battle Rage + Mbuti's Advocate + Str. Although I really can see that one being up for debate.

The real question is whether the Warfare version can hold up energy-wise (I think that might be why I chose Storm the first time around). Just focusing on Int alone helps a lot with the energy issues, but even more importantly; a lot of the good -Energy Cost gear is Int gear (I'm pretty sure my previous character made use of both Bai Hu's mantle and Coronal). Battle Standard comes with a built in -50% energy cost reduction but I'm not sure that is enough to make up the deficit.

So what do you think about Storm vs Warfare?
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Re: House of Flying Daggers Build
« Reply #6 on: 29 December 2017, 09:59:50 »
the fact that you thought about using rage of ares for a knifethrower assassin is enough reason for me to believe you know what you are saying.. there are two things i intended not to mention on my guide because i want people to keep exploring rather than follow guides step by step, word for word.. 1st is life steal although i kind of gave a clue.. 2nd is rage of ares.. you are the first person to mention that.. thank you.. now how can i be of help hmm.. you forgot to mention eye of the storm and spell breaker but i guess you already know that.. for assassin, you can further boost trap damage with scroll of stalwart alliance but that might be overkill with permanent battle standard.. actually, a caster assassin isn't that mana hungry because traps and battle standard are enough to clear mobs.. knives are just to spread RR and confusion.. if you already have items ready for a caster assassin, i say go for it

it's really a toss up between the 2 but since you already played sorcerer, go for something new.. other options are earth, nature, dream, and maybe rune.. maybe spirit also

earth: you already know that
nature: strength of the pack
dream: traps, knives and distortion wave, nightmare mastermind
rune: rune weapon but you need flat elem from items
spirit: permanent unearthly power, also needs flat damage from items

but i think warfare is tankiest
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Re: House of Flying Daggers Build
« Reply #7 on: 29 December 2017, 13:18:12 »
I think Dream is probably tankier than Warfare, but that really doesn't matter to me - Dream is my go-to for basically every build so I'd like to avoid it as often as there is a viable alternative.
You did bring up a bit of a sore point with the life steal thing though. The only way I can see to pull it off is via the Elemenal Rage Arti. That Arti means missing out on the incredible Tyrant's Fist Arti, which is even more incredible on a Warfare character rather than Storm. I find that choice to be basically impossible to make and hope to just use both by whipping out the Elemental Rage whenever I am in need of health. It really isn't all that practical, but Tyrant's Fist really is far too good to give up. The only alternative I see is using the Shadowformed Band for one of my ring slots but frankly, that thing really kind of sucks. I'd much rather be using a Mark of Ares.
I really think that might be the biggest issue with choosing Warfare over Storm - there are too many items that boost Physical Damage and that makes itemization really quite difficult.

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Re: House of Flying Daggers Build
« Reply #8 on: 29 December 2017, 14:06:54 »
about lvl 30ish and up of my sorcerer, i was alternating between shadowformed band, aeon, and necklace of harmonia for life steal.. it's just that when i completed my elemental rage, the completion bonus i got was mana steal so it was too hard to turn down.. i got lucky there

but yeah for an assassin there would be better artifacts than elemental rage.. i think when i switch to caster mode for my assassin, i use talisman of jade emperor, hmm i think athena's battle greaves, pelaron and pendant of immortal rage.. i think also an occult ring of immortality with demon's blood.. i need that cast speed.. I'm not even sure if i get life and mana steal.. traps + battle standard + pendant of immortal rage are good enough to clear mobs.. traps cost little energy.. edit: and yeah some knife throwing

edit 2: do i use pendant of immortal rage? heh can't remember
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Re: House of Flying Daggers Build
« Reply #9 on: 31 December 2017, 20:56:19 »
inspired from Giant2005's icesharder/knifethrower comment, new players can actually follow this but they take a different route.. start with int instead of dex and be an icesharder first.. then after getting +4 to all skills or at least to rogue, respec to knives and mix in dex.. or get dex early epic/late normal in preparation for SB cuffs.. i still advice you wear a shield even if it's just santa's, blue item, or socketed green.

what does knives provide that ice shards doesn't? better damage, able to life/mana steal, able to spread more resistance reduction, better DA, confusion, able to equip spears or throwing weapons not necessarily to attack with it but some can give you caster necessities like all skills, %damage, recharge
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