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Staves and left-click skills?
« on: 15 January 2018, 09:40:20 »
Do Staves work with left click abilities such as Psionic Touch? Or do they have to be staff-specific such as Ternion Attack? I have never been one to play casters but giving it a try. I know on my Runesmith, the gap closer acts totally different depending on whether your weapon is ranged or melee, and with staff a unique type I just want to double check, thanks.

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #1 on: 15 January 2018, 09:51:33 »
psionic touch work with staves.. but ughh.. for me, casters don't use staves.. staves are only for ternion users and i don't classify a ternion user a caster.. mage maybe if it deals elemental damage but caster? no, it doesn't even scale with casting speed.. i can give advice for a caster but you'll have to trash your current idea of a caster :)
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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #2 on: 15 January 2018, 09:56:02 »
Yes, staves will work with Psionic Touch.  Since Dream is a hybrid mastery there's no problem.  Staves don't work with Onslaught, Marksmanship or Rune Weapon even though Rune is also a hybrid mastery.  I don't think they work with Calculated Strike, but it's been a long time since I've played a caster/Rogue combo that wanted to use it.

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #3 on: 15 January 2018, 10:32:20 »
Thanks folks. I rolled a Diviner, so if I try Staff I will use Ternion but I don't have enough skill points to make it worthwhile yet. In normal I'm a hybrid. Wondering why Botebote is so anti-staff for casters...stick with "spell" skills rather than the projectile, I guess? I gather that Staves are affected by "+x% projectile speed" as long as it doesn't specify a weapon type like Marksmanship does, correct?

On a side note, Diviner seems very flexible so if it's a crap caster class, I can easily go melee, aura, pet, etc. or stick with hybrid.

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #4 on: 15 January 2018, 10:48:54 »
because casters don't attack with weapons dude.. that's why they're called casters.. staff means 1 less item slot.. 1 less item slot for a weapon that's not even needed to use.. this contains my philosophies for a caster

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #5 on: 15 January 2018, 11:21:13 »
While not as good as Ternion if you have that, Psi Touch with staves is definitely viable being how Psi Burn is also Int-based with its electric damage.

Also the AE added a slowdown effect to this which is designed for ranged weapon users, i.e. bows or staves.
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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #6 on: 15 January 2018, 11:37:30 »
because casters don't attack with weapons dude.. that's why they're called casters.. staff means 1 less item slot.. 1 less item slot for a weapon that's not even needed to use.. this contains my philosophies for a caster

https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=193.0

I kinda assumed as much. BTW..."Elemental Damage % bonuses now also boost fire, cold and lightning DoTs". Did not know this; I was thinking in Grim Dawn terms. That is excellent.

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #7 on: 15 January 2018, 11:48:57 »
also Int-based with its electric damage.


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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #8 on: 15 January 2018, 12:04:20 »
Hal900x, depending on how you build your Diviner there's no reason you can't take both Ternion and Psionic Touch.  I often do that since Ternion gobbles mana like it's going out of fashion so rather than continuely chug mana potions I put Psionic on weapon slot one and Ternion on two and then switch between them as needed.

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #9 on: 15 January 2018, 18:13:05 »
Hal900x, depending on how you build your Diviner there's no reason you can't take both Ternion and Psionic Touch.  I often do that since Ternion gobbles mana like it's going out of fashion so rather than continuely chug mana potions I put Psionic on weapon slot one and Ternion on two and then switch between them as needed.

Hmm. Do you use a staff with Psionic as well?

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #10 on: 15 January 2018, 18:17:11 »
Yes, have done many times.  I put Psionic Touch on the first weapon slot and Ternion on the second and switch between them. 

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #11 on: 15 January 2018, 20:13:13 »
OK, will keep that in mind. Does Int boost Staff damage that is one of the elemental types? That to me could be one reason to justify their use by mage classes.

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #12 on: 15 January 2018, 20:44:36 »
int boosts elemental in staves.. also str if you have physical damage staff.. dex if you have staff of the chosen

a staff without ternion just couldn't compare to the killspeed of spells like distortion wave, distort reality, knives, volcanic orb and eruption.. maybe even ice shards but I've not tested it in AE/R.. plus it's easier to get cast speed than attack speed.. for me, ternion really is the only reason to use a staff
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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #13 on: 15 January 2018, 21:03:23 »
Appreciate all the info. I chose Diviner because it seems like it is perhaps the most flexible class in terms of builds. I play a tremendous amount of TQ but neither my math nor my memory is stellar. Glad you guys are still here on the boards. Drives me insane when sites with years of hard-won mechanics info goes down the drain.

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Re: Staves and left-click skills?
« Reply #14 on: 15 January 2018, 21:16:07 »
Well, hopefully we can rebuild and keep this forum going.  :)

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