Laionidas, i have 65% CDR so outsider is not long cooldown for me

Bobinho, see my vid and see how often the liche casts arcane blast more than death nova

https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=213.msg3856#new

but i can only speak for bone charmer because it has flush out

actually i have a spear and shield bone charmer.. secondary was bow.. you might have read it already and you might've seen my vid already but anyway.. the idea was 65% recharge enables me to have call of the hunt and dark covenant/unearthly power permanent.. build was something like this:

https://www.kirmiziperfect.com/titancalc-anniversary-edition/TitanCalc239e239e239e.html?mastery=BoneCharmer&master1=2&master2=7&sa=0&m1=32-6-0-0-8-0-1-0-6-16-1-0-8-1-1-8-1-0-1-16-16-0&m2=32-0-0-6-0-12-6-0-8-0-6-8-0-1-8-10-1-1-6-0-6-0

yes i took gouge because somehow i like the animation.. the bleeding damage i don't really care i took it more because i like the animation.. monster lure is just really good especially against archers.. you just got to trust me on this.. herbal remedy helps a little with the HP regen penalty from dark covenant.. flush out boosts arcane blast.. i can summon outsider more frequently because of recharge.. like the last boss before Hades, the one that drops the soul stone, i summon outsider, kill boss.. then when i get to Hades, i can summon outsider again.. stats were str/dex.. it was self-found.. i only got 65% recharge late in the game but it's still quite good.. i got pelaron pretty early

and no, the liche don't die

ok here i go again but don't worry i won't throw a tantrum this time.. first off, i think throwing weapon is good option for bonecharmers.. it's like a short range archer wearing a shield.. you still have marksmanship, some enemies will still be in the range of deathchill aura and you can steal lots of HP because of necrosis.. and you're wearing a shield so you won't be a glass canon

But ragnarok is not yet on consoles and as I've said above people have been liking spirit for archers even before ragnarok so it's not just you Bobinho.. me i see spirit as being good for:

1) petmasters
2) ternion builds (obviously)
3) melee (death chill aura tree including necrosis)

but i just don't see anything spirit gives for archers.. maybe they see something i don't, or maybe they are all thinking like you

i see 2 main reasons why irma2 liked spirit

1) liche was the only tanky permanent pet back then
2) take down with necrosis was a boss killer

but there comes the problem.. this is AE now.. core dweller has emerged as another tanky pet.. even monster lure because iirc monster lure health doesn't scale with difficulty back then.. it now does and it's a much better tank than liche king

and the take down with necrosis thing.. in IT, it hits like a truck.. in AE, it hits like a pillow

but i really don't get it.. sorry if this turns out like a little rant.. why do people think spirit is good for archers? if it's just for the liche king as tank, monster lure is better and it only costs 6pts.. core dweller is better now i think.. core dweller is tankier now than it was in IT and it has provoke.. and if it dies it's ok you can just resummon it.. is it because of irma2's guide? but it was only because liche king was the better tank than core dweller back then.. and necrosis was good when paired with take down.. but in AE, it's useless now if not for the charge.. is it because of unearthly power? I'd much rather take nature's strength of the pack.. is it because of death chill aura? dream would give better survivability.. so yeah I'm really blank.. i don't see why people think spirit is good for archers.. sorry I'm a bit tired right now and I'm sleepy.. time for me to sleep

edit: if it's throwing weapons, i understand.. but console still has no throwing weapons if I'm not mistaken.. and people have liked spirit as archers even before ragnarok

just minor ones:

1) the white gold quest, you can either give the ring to the bastard that gave you the quest.. you will receive gold and XP then the wife of the murdered will hate you.. or you can give the ring to the wife.. you will receive an item (most probably a shitty one) and XP.. then the murderer will hate you

2) you have to get the ichthian(spelling?) relic first before you can receive the lupine necklace formula.. but I'm not 100% sure now

pushing hard hahaha no no no.. it's just for a melee diviner, it can deal lots of vit damage so i favor a hybrid for a melee diviner.. look it has built in total damage, necrosis, and total speed.. things critical for a hybrid.. on the other hand, I'm still not a vet in terms of building hybrids.. so if i learn something new from other players, i will take note and i will be glad.. so maybe i am pushing for a hybrid nyahahaha

I'm not disagreeing with Tauceti man.. but since liche king's health now scales with difficulty, maybe it's not worth maxing wraith shell once you get to epic/legendary.. on my bonecharmer, wraith shell is only at lvl 1 with +4.. he doesn't die because i don't use him as tank.. I'm the tank and i have monster lure and enslave spirit.. so put only a few points enough so he doesn't die.. when you max mastermind, it will be a little tankier

I'm in favor of spreading your skill points.. even lvl 1 on the skills that can help you is an advantage already.. if you put at least 1 pt on the liche king synergies, and you get a skill shrine, he gets those synergies at lvl5 until he dies

edit: the esdese ice shard build.. you don't need to make it a hybrid.. just a fake hybrid so no need for high str.. maybe zero additional points would be enough

it's nice that you included arcane blast in the list.. in IT, it was considered a poor skill investment.. but since AE, the liche now spams it.. on my bonecharmer, i chose it over death nova.. but that was because i have flush out.. ToW also has reduced resist but it's % while flush out is absolute.. it's true that death nova deals better damage but the liche doesn't spam it.. i felt arcane blast was a better investment for my bonecharmer.. diviner is different and i have no experience for a diviner so i would abstain from voting.. however i would suggest that you spread out your skill distribution even more.. i would even take off some points from liche king and put 1pt each on its upgrades or until the 3rd upgrade (not sure).. i also like 1pt on that mind control skill

however, I'm thinking something different.. a melee diviner has the potential to deal loads of vit damage.. so if it was me, i would make it a hybrid.. having enough int would make it easier to get good CDR.. high enough CDR could mean permanent dark covenant/unearthly power, more frequent casting of dream CC, phantom strike, and outsider.. ToC to alleviate some of the HP regen penalty from dark covenant

@Bobinho11 this is my bonecharmer

i died hohohohaha

i remember i had a black pearl ring with recharge but i think i gave it away.. it was easier with about 65% CDR.. i haven't played this toon in ages and i don't feel like playing it again :/

i forgot to say i use throwing weapons now.. a bow usually deals better damage and has longer range but throwing weapons are faster and if you've read some of my comments, I'm really not a fan of sacrificing 1 item slot

you can probably see I'm not good at melee.. even melee i try to mix some CC and try to kite.. I'm one dimensional lol

well, that was legendary and i did not go through act 5 normal and epic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
reasons :>