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Titan Quest - Anniversary Edition => Anniversary Edition - General discussion => Topic started by: Bughuul on 10 November 2021, 18:38:06
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Is it possible with recharge gear? I wanna try it as hardcore 0 death if it's possible!
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Could try it, whether it's hardcore viable .... you'll find out.
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i know it's possible with nature refresh. permanent outsider or permanent ancestral warriors
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i know it's possible with nature refresh. permanent outsider or permanent ancestral warriors
In theory, even without refresh ancestral warriors permanent should be possible..
I'm going to try "almost permanent" outsider + ancestral warriors spellbreaker and let you guys know.
Any suggestions for that build?
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Do not forget, if you have Atlantis xpac, warfare got a new skil modifier "last legacy" wich extend even more the ancestral warriors life time, if im not wrong you will able to resummon then super quicky if their time goes down.
As well Battle Standard will boost your summon dmg and speed , good versus big groups and bosses.
Lich king will be able to carry you solo until the last moments of normal difficulty , but at that time you will have ancestral warriors and outsider to help him out.
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Do not forget, if you have Atlantis xpac, warfare got a new skil modifier "last legacy" wich extend even more the ancestral warriors life time, if im not wrong you will able to resummon then super quicky if their time goes down.
As well Battle Standard will boost your summon dmg and speed , good versus big groups and bosses.
Lich king will be able to carry you solo until the last moments of normal difficulty , but at that time you will have ancestral warriors and outsider to help him out.
Attributes will be str dex but just a few recharge gear and I'll start as lvl 1.. so it'll be very challengeling and even not sure what/where to farm, which items etc. lol. It'll be kinda yolo methinks.. That's why I wrote that I need a suggestion from you guys. If I can make it work, it'll be one of the most deadly toons in the game I believe!
PS: Starting with Spirit, 1 pt in for crucial skills like deathchill, ravages of time, spirit ward etc. And when I open liche king, I'll do 1 pt into it every level that I took, and rest going to mastery for outsider. I'll throw a few points to onslaught, battle rage and weapon training as well while focusing on spirit mastery (just for outsider firstly, so pumping mastery itself, skills just 1 pt) Then I'ma go for battle standart, war horn and especially ancestral warriors.
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Well, depending on how much you plan to depend on the pets to do the work for you you may need to consider going with more intel.
Here's a thread with some items that have -% recharge on them, not all of them listed do, but it'll give you an idea of what to look out for as you progress. They are mostly intel based items though, hence the possible need to have more of that attribute than you might think.
https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=414.0
I don't have a big collection of melee gear to check, but the only items I found in my collection that have -% recharge are: Golden Shield of Pelaron, Certhas' Plate, Protean Armor, Odysseus' Armor, Lykiaon Malleus, Shai'tan, Polaris (these are all purple items), Flowing Shield of the Euphrates, Ceremonial Buckler, Takeshi's Kimono, Helm of the Tempest, Santa's Winter Coat, Jade Totem of Rumination (blue items).
Obviously those can't be socketed with relics/charms, but if you have green items then the Golden Fleece relic can roll with a -% recharge bonus, but that's the only one I know of that does.
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Well, depending on how much you plan to depend on the pets to do the work for you you may need to consider going with more intel.
Here's a thread with some items that have -% recharge on them, not all of them listed do, but it'll give you an idea of what to look out for as you progress. They are mostly intel based items though, hence the possible need to have more of that attribute than you might think.
https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=414.0
I don't have a big collection of melee gear to check, but the only items I found in my collection that have -% recharge are: Golden Shield of Pelaron, Certhas' Plate, Protean Armor, Odysseus' Armor, Lykiaon Malleus, Shai'tan, Polaris (these are all purple items), Flowing Shield of the Euphrates, Ceremonial Buckler, Takeshi's Kimono, Helm of the Tempest, Santa's Winter Coat, Jade Totem of Rumination (blue items).
Obviously those can't be socketed with relics/charms, but if you have green items then the Golden Fleece relic can roll with a -% recharge bonus, but that's the only one I know of that does.
Golden fleece is the only relic that can be rolled with -% recharge bonus?
Also I'll have my hands dirty while outsider and ancestral warriors ripping them. So classical str/dex will be better than for me but need to find those items, cuz I play like diablo 2 hardcore, which means when I die I delete that char along with that toon's gear and stash as well. Also till I find some % recharge items, I'll rely on liche king, and pumping pts into it mostly while pumping pts into masteries for outsider and ancestral warriors as well.
My plan seems clear. Str/dex, just find as many as % recharge gear that str based, deathchill aura + war horn for some survivability, and 1 pt to some important skills like battle standart, dark covenant, spirit ward etc. I'll unlock outsider first, then gonna go for ancestral warriors.
Thanks for your post Medea!
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Also Ima list some low level -% recharge items that is str or dex based very soon. I think that build never experienced by people before (or?) so people can follow how it perfoms in the game.
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That was the only relic/charm I could find in my Vault collection that had it, yes. Whether there are any from Ragnarok/Atlantis that do that I haven't gotten hold of yet I don't know. And Golden Fleece can only go in torso armor, nothing else, so it's not like you could use it with several different pieces of gear.
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Okay, let's list some target -% recharge gear for pet spellbreaker,
For head,
Oracle's wealth, lvl 10, 116 int, -%10 recharge, easy to get (nessus, gorgon queens or act 1 telkine)
Hunter's helm, lvl 37, 349 dex, -%25 recharge, okay this one gonna be my goal, but need to hit epic act 3 for it
and tracker's hood ofc, but legendary item, so skeep
For arms,
Ba'als hand, lvl 30, 236 int, -%15 recharge, maybe I can reach 236 int without spending my attribute pts to int, we shall see tho, act 5 normal
Clasp of mothers, lvl 35, 266 int, -%15 recharge, okay this one have -%10 reduction to all req as well, seems better option than ba'als hand if I can find one, act 5 normal
Clasp of pythia, lvl 30, 286 int, -%18 recharge, good bonuses for int reqs like -%20 but I don't think that I can gear it..
Have no rly good option for arms it seems, maybe I can get some MI or green with -of concentration/focus etc. hard to find tho meh
For torso,
No need to fuck with some uniques, just wear any green or MI with golden fleece. I take Odysseus armor if I ever can reach legendary lol
For legs,
Not much options here as you can guess.. any suggestions?
For weapon,
Axe - The owl, okay seems good one, -%15 recharge, act 5 normal, and int bonus as well, maybe it can help to wear some int shits too?
Throwing? - Blue dragon scales - -%15 recharge, not remember exactly onslaught works with throwing weapons or not, can someone englighten this part? if yes, blue dragon scales can save my life for a long time it seems, it's on everywhere in normal
For shield,
Ceremonial buckler - lvl 22, -%12 recharge, typhon act 3 telkine etc. seems good one
Rings of the rhine - lvl 42, -%15 recharge, act 5 normal, and it gives -%15 reduction to all req
For ring,
Only ring of the three for early levels, -%12 recharge, normal act 5
For amulet,
Orb of the fallen for early levels, -%10 recharge, normal act 4
Seems very hard to reach max -% recharge.. maybe Yuya's garb for torso, -%25 recharge is huge if I can wear cuz of int.. (I have it in my inventory)
Also looked for grants skill: refresh gear as well and Ren Lei's pride is an option for early game.. 12 secs to all recharge times, 21 secs recharge itself, can be dropped in act 3 normal
Any recommendations are welcomed..
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I just created char and he's in Boetia rn. Started with spirit, pumping pts to mastery, and slowly leveling up on liche king, like 2 pt to mastery 1 pt to liche king for every level that I took. Also 1 pt to some crucial skills.
Have a question. Recharge is %80 capped after AE yup, but it is possible to reach %100 easily even with only circle of power. It won't be valid if I reach with it, right? So %80 is still max..
Also when best time to cast it? I mean, like after I summon outsider/ancestral warriors, or before it or whatever it is. Can someone enlighten that, please?
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I think you need to summon the pets after you cast circle of power.
80% is the cap no matter what, unless im wrong.
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I think you need to summon the pets after you cast circle of power.
80% is the cap no matter what, unless im wrong.
But oitsider recharge going back to normal levels after circle of power's dead, correct?
Is it possible to worth maxx ya? Circle of power I mean
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know what? i've played enough self-found that i can name recharge items that you might get, without looking at tq-db
oracle helm almost wouldn't matter as you'd replace it as early as.. about act 3 normal.
amber necklace. your game could hinge on this honestly. act 5 normal. sometimes it drops, sometimes it don't
those shields almost doesn't matter because a green shield of of concentration or of rumination is almost always better. except maybe rings of the rhine. but honestly a green shield of rumination socketed with legendary rigid carapace with 40% pierce res completion bonus might be better
those helms don't matter because same with shield. the problem is recharge suffix on helms only appear on mage helms. and shields, all shields are strength. (edit: no not all shields are strength, but you know what i mean)
so the best advice i can give you is 200+ str, 400+ int, 400+ dex. go for neiths will + green shield of rumination socketed with rigid pierce res. you can go for 2 neiths will because of warfare, but that might kill your resists
you'll still need all skills for ancestral warriors lasting legacy so SB cuffs.... but nnngggghhhh. bracer slot is your chance for more recharge. there are act 5 bracers with recharge that drops on self-found runs. this is where it gets complicated really. hard choice here
that golden fleece with recharge, forget about it. you'll never get it. i don't care what tq-db says.
i really think the devs missed making an early to mid game recharge artifact. there are only 2 recharge artifacts: talisman of the jade emperor and gambanteinn. talisman of the jade emperor requires incarnation of jade emperor, which only drops in act 3 legendary. gambanteinn is worse because it requires an act 5 legendary relic. it's like they didn't think about self-found players
if you plan to also do this deathless... well... good luck... you'll need it. you're crazy
@MedeaFleecestealer can you make a self-found, no deaths challenge? i don't want to host it. rules would be simple: play it untwinked and you're not allowed to die. that's it. and maybe no cheating. you can only do what the game allows you to do (except twinking)
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Well, I play kinda untwinked cuz I have only goldeen fleece 15 recharge rolled. Have no other items.. and oh and also dragon scales lol. I have to find rest thru the game.. easy drop early ac3..
It should be hard to get rechage of of conc or of ruminatiom shield.. where to run? Can be dropped everywhere?
For arms, I'm just going for SBC I believe cuz no recharge arm in that area.. for str based I mean.
It's gonna be challengeling but I ever can make it, if'll dstroy everything so fsst including all bosses.
Also what you think about circle of power? Worth to maxx?
Have you ever try that build before or am I one and only guy that trying for it in the game?
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of rumination - merchants. iirc act 3 normal and onwards
so you're really serious about str. it's almost impossible. but whatever. it's your game. your choice
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200 str 400 int 200 dex that you offer as basebet stats almost permanent outsider and ancestral warriors build?
I am already early game atm. So can switch easily if you think and suggest that is valid and easier.
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200+ str, 400+ int, 400+ dex
i should add that it should be low 200. probably just enough to equip neiths will and shield of rumination. if you're already using blue dragon scales, you should probably hold off from adding any points to str for now
400 dex because you'll still need some DA. and it opens your option for a SB cuffs and/or hunters helm
it's not easy. but there's something i used to do that made it so much easier. just target 300 int and 300 dex end of normal. then 400 int 400 dex, end of epic.
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Ten four!
I'ma go for it then. Have yuya's garb, so better option than green with golden fleece in normal at least.
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know what? i've played enough self-found that i can name recharge items that you might get, without looking at tq-db
oracle helm almost wouldn't matter as you'd replace it as early as.. about act 3 normal.
amber necklace. your game could hinge on this honestly. act 5 normal. sometimes it drops, sometimes it don't
those shields almost doesn't matter because a green shield of of concentration or of rumination is almost always better. except maybe rings of the rhine. but honestly a green shield of rumination socketed with legendary rigid carapace with 40% pierce res completion bonus might be better
those helms don't matter because same with shield. the problem is recharge suffix on helms only appear on mage helms. and shields, all shields are strength. (edit: no not all shields are strength, but you know what i mean)
so the best advice i can give you is 200+ str, 400+ int, 400+ dex. go for neiths will + green shield of rumination socketed with rigid pierce res. you can go for 2 neiths will because of warfare, but that might kill your resists
you'll still need all skills for ancestral warriors lasting legacy so SB cuffs.... but nnngggghhhh. bracer slot is your chance for more recharge. there are act 5 bracers with recharge that drops on self-found runs. this is where it gets complicated really. hard choice here
that golden fleece with recharge, forget about it. you'll never get it. i don't care what tq-db says.
i really think the devs missed making an early to mid game recharge artifact. there are only 2 recharge artifacts: talisman of the jade emperor and gambanteinn. talisman of the jade emperor requires incarnation of jade emperor, which only drops in act 3 legendary. gambanteinn is worse because it requires an act 5 legendary relic. it's like they didn't think about self-found players
if you plan to also do this deathless... well... good luck... you'll need it. you're crazy
@MedeaFleecestealer can you make a self-found, no deaths challenge? i don't want to host it. rules would be simple: play it untwinked and you're not allowed to die. that's it. and maybe no cheating. you can only do what the game allows you to do (except twinking)
Don't we already have one?
https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=1367.0
Or do you mean something a bit different?
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ow. i did that? dem i don't remember. i don't want to be the host though
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Well, I can edit/add to the leaderboard if needed. Doesn't seem to be atm though. :(
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Some updates, not much tho, I was busy a bit and played a little. Act II now, just killed statues in Giza.
Have 2 recharge gear atm, oracle's wreath -%10 recharge, and yuya's garb -%25 recharge (that one is good yup, best early -%recharge torso, also who tf is yuya?!) I'm level 20 rn, will get blue dragon's scales when I am 22. So another -%15 from it, and I'ma do merchant farm for a recharge shield when I reach Act III - as @botebote77 recommended.
Well, I have some probs with circle of power. When I cast it, it reduces recharge time ya but after it fades away, recharge time gets back to normal levels, just gear or whatever. So it's almost useless for this build? Can someone explain that how to get a good benefit from it for this build if that's possible?
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i think that build will only show the power on later lvles with last legacy skill and with recharge as well more option at hand.
In lvling will be bit slow, you must maybe using onslaugh or good dps weapon to get you fast at lower lvs.
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Some updates.
Just killed Typhon. It was very easy with liche king. I just kited him and liche king finished him off. I put 1 pt to liche king every level that I took, so it was almost max level. Act III itself was easy as well, and killing speed was not a problem at all. I'm using blue dragon scales, and it was doing a good damage tbh. At least it was enough to kill some things.
Luckily I got ceremonial buckler from barmanu's chest. So I have 4 recharge items atm, oracle's wealth, ceremonial buckler, yuya's garb and blue dragon scales. Need some rings/amulets now. Also as @botebote77 suggested above, green shield with rigid resist would be better than ceremonial buckler, but it's ok for now I believe. Have no option for legs and arms afaik. I have SBC with poison resist charm'd.
So I'm at Rhodes now. Should I go for Atlantis first, or? What you suggest? @sauruz @MedeaFleecestealer @botebote77 @Zardoz
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During normal just skip Atlantis for now, just go into Hades act. After you complete the act or during the midle if you want check Atlantis you can go.
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During normal just skip Atlantis for now, just go into Hades act. After you complete the act or during the midle if you want check Atlantis you can go.
Never did Atlantis before lol.. wondering Tartarus and whole Atlantis act tbh.. anyway I'll take your suggest and just go for Hades firstly. I can check Atlantis before Ragnarök.
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Also I like idea behind some specific gear related builds as well..
This one seems cool,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quxeiEpN8Y0
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Okay, I died with toon a few days ago.. it was too easy and I was not careful enough, so I died in Act IV.
After a try of a few classes around, I decided to retry pet spellbreaker and I created another toon yesterday night. I just killed Typhon.
My skills are,
For spirit mastery, everything 1 pt except base lich king, it's 9 or 10 atm.
For warrior mastery, I'm going for ancestral warriors atm. Didn't unlock it yet.
Lich king himself was easy to run till Typhon.
As many people already know, I play "kinda untwinked", which means I delete toon that died, and his gear and stash as well.. so I lost lots of sbc, and some other rare and good MI and uniques, like prowler's chest.
Anyway, my current gear is,
Head - shaman's head (%6 recharge)
Weapon - blue dragon scales (%18 recharge)
Shield - green shield with "of concentration" (%8 recharge)
Torso - % ele resist and high health bonus green with golden fleece (%8 recharge)
Arms - shitty green (was lazy to go for sbc tbh, and my main goal is to get %recharge gear and sbc doesn't give it)
Legs - a green with some secondary resists
Artifact - shroud of eternal night (maybe soul prism for more summons? any idea?) @sauruz
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@botebote77 let's talk about this build.. For TQIT, you say it was OP with %100 recharge. So why do you hate this builds after AE? Because of recharge capped %80 and this build is not viable anymore.. Can you talk about this build and I'd like to know what you think about it.
I'm in normal now and have %50 around of recharge gear.. hardcore, untwinked.. permanent BS.. going for ancestrals and its synergy that increases duration of them..
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hehe you're really obsessed with this ;D
it's not that i hate it, but the problem is
hardcore, untwinked.
you have 50% recharge in normal. but can you carry it over to epic, and then to legendary, without sacrificing resists? you don't have items and the fact that it's hardcore limits your farming options. if you're allowed to die a hundred times then it's no problem. but you're not allowed to die even 1 death. you can't farm Typhon however many times you want
but hey if you can do it, that would be amazing. but I'm just saying, if you ask me, get through it first with an easier build
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Haha thanks for reply first of all!
Atlantis (in normal) have some recharge gear, I may visit Atlantis for now. Just checked tqdb. But 2 amber necklace from Act V will get me thru more %80 recharge cap with good resist.. And ya I see what you mean, but that's what makes game fun I believe.
I'll update my character soon!