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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #15 on: 11 June 2018, 23:29:28 »
it now appears on my mobile.. without the link.. it's there now right?
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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #16 on: 11 June 2018, 23:44:51 »
it now appears on my mobile.. without the link.. it's there now right?
I can't see any link in your previous post.
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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #17 on: 12 June 2018, 01:31:17 »
it now appears on my mobile.. without the link.. it's there now right?
I can't see any link in your previous post.
this is the video i meant.. i was asking if my comment finally appears.. because my earlier attempts did not.. my user name there is bote bote
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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #18 on: 12 June 2018, 03:51:37 »
it really doesn't show even after i removed the KP link.. wtf how do i do this? my username is bote bote

edit: my comment is this:
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clex, you're sure sapros and aftershock don't stack?

i'm looking at apocalypse80's guide which was also saved at kirmiziperfect
(KP link which i removed)

sapros and aftershock are both flat, not %.. the wording is just like in shen-nong's dark medicine and monkey king's trickery.. both of which he classified as absolute.. and under stacking, he said absolute RR from gear stack except from weapon and weapon, and weapon and shield.. so i would assume shen-nong's and monkey kings stack.. both are flat just like sapros and aftershock
One of my comment on his videos is also not showing up. May be he's turn on show approved comments only and hasn't approved our comments....
Also there is setting for not showing inappropriate comments, but I don't see how this is inappropriate:
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Here are the pierce damage equations for each version of the game :
TQ               :  (pierceDamageDV * ((dexterityDV/650)+1))+(dexterityDV*0.03)

TQ-IT 1.17 :  (pierceDamageDV * ((dexterityDV/1000)+1))+(dexterityDV*0.03)

TQ-AE         :  (((pierceDamageDV / ((strengthDV/500)+1)) * ((strengthDV/2000)+1)) * ((dexterityDV/400)+1)) + (dexterityDV*0.03)

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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #19 on: 12 June 2018, 04:19:31 »
i don't understand.. where is the = in the equation? what is DV?
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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #20 on: 12 June 2018, 04:41:32 »
i don't understand.. where is the = in the equation? what is DV?
well that was not the point :P

where is =?  Consider these as right side of the '='. Outcome of the equation gets assigned to some variable in memory at run time.
what is DV?   This is just naming they've used internally, doesn't matter. May be it stands for Default Value...

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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #21 on: 12 June 2018, 05:44:12 »
so the left side is the pierce damage.. we are computing for the pierce damage? why is there pierce damageDV on the right side then? or is that the raw pierce damage? like if you use a 25% pierce ratio weapon that deals 100 damage, the raw pierce damage is then 25..

heh sorry if I'm making things more complicated.. i use to love solving equations like this back in high school :P
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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #22 on: 12 June 2018, 05:54:37 »
so the left side is the pierce damage.. we are computing for the pierce damage? why is there pierce damageDV on the right side then? or is that the raw pierce damage? like if you use a 25% pierce ratio weapon that deals 100 damage, the raw pierce damage is then 25..

heh sorry if I'm making things more complicated.. i use to love solving equations like this back in high school :P
I think you are right.
it make sense if suffix DV means raw value...

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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #23 on: 12 June 2018, 05:56:05 »
TQ               :  (pierceDamageDV * ((dexterityDV/650)+1))+(dexterityDV*0.03)

TQ-IT 1.17 :  (pierceDamageDV * ((dexterityDV/1000)+1))+(dexterityDV*0.03)

TQ-AE         :  (((pierceDamageDV / ((strengthDV/500)+1)) * ((strengthDV/2000)+1)) * ((dexterityDV/400)+1)) + (dexterityDV*0.03)

You somewhat...confused by two types of pierce damage: flat pierce damage and pierce damage converted from weapon.
Flat pierce damage does not benefit from any attribute pointes in TQIT, and does benefit from dexterity in AE (1000/100%).
Pierce damage converted from weapon benefit from both strength and dexterity, both in TQIT and AE. The difference is that in TQIT, the multiplier is 500/100% for strength and 1000/100% for dexterity, and 1000/100% for strength and 500/100% for dexterity in AE.

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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #24 on: 12 June 2018, 05:59:04 »
so the left side is the pierce damage.. we are computing for the pierce damage? why is there pierce damageDV on the right side then? or is that the raw pierce damage? like if you use a 25% pierce ratio weapon that deals 100 damage, the raw pierce damage is then 25..

heh sorry if I'm making things more complicated.. i use to love solving equations like this back in high school :P
That pierce damage DV has already counted for strength and pierce ratio. I have seen such equation from somebody else's work so I am pretty sure on that.

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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #25 on: 12 June 2018, 06:56:29 »
Thanks for the detailed info. I got these equations from combatequations.dbr.

That pierce damage DV has already counted for strength and pierce ratio.
it would be great if you could share the equations for piercedamageDV(or any other DVs), which involves strength and ratio.

Also please share link to guides(if exists) where all these equations/calculations are explained. I just want to look at the whole picture...

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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #26 on: 12 June 2018, 08:30:06 »
What would be the best poison resistance reduction technique in this case, if he goes with Hunting as secondary?

Just Monkey kings and Shen Nongs with appropriate gear would be enough? I'm really curious about this..
how about Frail and Fragile(set Ronzer's Gift) with both of them equipped it gives 50 reduced resistances for 3 sec.

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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #27 on: 12 June 2018, 09:33:48 »
good eye on the frail and the fragile.. that further convinces me that flat reduced resists stack.. it makes no sense if it doesn't because it defeats the purpose of the ronzer's gift set

thank you for this comment.. i knew i can take the word of apocalypse80.. he does not know it and he does not know me but he's my TQ hero  O0
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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #28 on: 12 June 2018, 14:35:08 »
i just tested flat reduced resist stacking from items.. it does stack.. I'll post it tomorrow if i wake up early.. maybe under resistance reduction guide by apocalypse80 which i posted in guidesAE

edit: https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=238.msg5004#msg5004

late edit: a Stanislav dude answered on youtube.. this what he said:

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it is not explained properly... gear slots and mastery skills directly tied to weapon attack stack additively  but not in between gear and spells( two different sources-can not stack)
 -> hence the difference attack(weapon) vs. casting(spell).

i only said:
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stanislav, maybe so.. at least it's clearer now :) 
i won't bother with more tests I'm not using sapros anyway ;D
« Last Edit: 18 June 2018, 21:10:19 by botebote77 »
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Re: dedicated poison build
« Reply #29 on: 12 June 2018, 16:21:39 »
Back on the second mastery: @botebote77 is right. For a dedicated poison build, I'd always pick Nature for an Illusionist.

The -39% poison resistance on Susceptibility, on top of Plague's other virtues is just too good. Also, with Stinging Nettle actually usefull, Briar Ward and Sanctuary suddenly become a lot more interesting to, and provide a platform to lob Gas Bombs from.

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