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Title: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 12 March 2019, 18:14:01
(https://i.imgur.com/i1Ko1GJ.png)

First of my builds I'm going to share here, being one of my all time favourites, is the ternion bone charmer. At first, I didn't expect it to become this strong, needless to say, I'm proud of it. It's heavily gear-dependent, but this is not a build guide, just a showcase. That being said, I'll be glad to see if any of you have alternatives for the gear, to fit your own arsenal :>

See updated pics for Atlantis on second page
 
Performance in legendary: 9/10 (fast movement/kill rate)
Performance in 6-players difficulty: 7.5/10 (surprisingly, can't get careless though)
Party support 8.5/10 (permament covenant+call of the hunt, movement speed, poison res, spirit ward)
Fun meter: 9/10 (one of my favs)

*Ensnare is your friend. Comrade Lichy is purely optional, but I have some points to spare.

Skill tree - hunting:
(https://i.imgur.com/8uMTPfE.jpg)

Skill tree - spirit:
(https://i.imgur.com/MlRYtyf.jpg)

Items:
(https://i.imgur.com/twX0FGe.png)

**I use nidbow as a swap weapon, for dealing with dactyls (see 2nd vid), or for when I'm simply bored.

MI / upgraded:
Staff of the Chosen (of devouring)
(resistant) Stonebinder's Cuffs (of the glade)
(curative) Babeizi Gi (of power)
(plato's) Demonskin Walkers (of might)
(weightless) Torc of the Ancestors (of grace)

Legendary difficulty - sithun:
https://youtu.be/_-GT-O0Qth0 (https://youtu.be/_-GT-O0Qth0)

Legendary 6-players difficulty - dactyls & Hades:
https://youtu.be/7NlBqzjyIE8 (https://youtu.be/7NlBqzjyIE8)

Hopefully i didn't forget anything important. Share your thoughts. I'll be sure to post my other characters soon |'>'|//




Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: botebote77 on 12 March 2019, 22:43:56
so weird.. weird is good O0
but how did it become 100% volley?
and does the staff outperform nidbow?
we had the same idea of permanent dark covenant and CotH, but man (just checked) your bonecharmer is way weirder than mine
I've long thought of a pierce damage ternion but ugghh I'm just allergic to staves.. i love casters but I'm allergic to staves
and my playing time has been greatly reduced now.. this past 3 weeks, my total is about 1 hour
but hmm more pros are coming out now
sauruz, you have to release your..... nah jk no hurries :)

edit: why is your DA only 704 when your dex is 560 and your wood lore is 10/6?

edit2: ah because wood lore don't work with staves

edit3: ah i get it.. it's not 100% volley.. it just looks like 100% volley because of ternion with staff of the chosen
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: tqrunner on 12 March 2019, 22:55:08
This looks like a fun build!

I frowned a little bit at the sight of the excessive crafting on the legendaries, but I suppose that technically they're legit C:-)

P.S. Where do you all find Demonskin Walkers? I've never come across a single set of those on any of my toons...
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 12 March 2019, 22:59:43
so weird.. weird is good O0
but how did it become 100% volley?
and does the staff outperform nidbow?
we had the same idea of permanent dark covenant and CotH, but man (just checked) your bonecharmer is way weirder than mine
I've long thought of a pierce damage ternion but ugghh I'm just allergic to staves.. i love casters but I'm allergic to staves
and my playing time has been greatly reduced now.. this past 3 weeks, my total is about 1 hour
but hmm more pros are coming out now
sauruz, you have to release your..... nah jk no hurries :)
Hi, my friend just joked it looks like 100% chance for volley, the staff projectiles :p
Tori wasn't means as a nidbow char, but bone charmer would most likely be more powerful in general with it, the gear would be different though.
It was actually my first ternion char, not counting a failed diviner from my old saves, i get where the allergy is coming from lul
I made these toons last year, I haven't played much this year at all, but wanted to share in one way or another, and get to know the community a bit ^^



Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 12 March 2019, 23:08:39
This looks like a fun build!

I frowned a little bit at the sight of the excessive crafting on the legendaries, but I suppose that technically they're legit C:-)

P.S. Where do you all find Demonskin Walkers? I've never come across a single set of those on any of my toons...

Hey, don't worry, they aren't only "techincally" legit, they are only ones i got myself or from a trusted friend. Me having about 16(toons) x 3(difficulties) = 48 upgrades, my friend having even more, you'll see most of my legendaries have upgrades. We both use doppelganger to duplicate the useful ones and share as well(like the demonskin, I haven't dropped ones myself in forever)
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: mammoth_hunter on 13 March 2019, 12:36:50
I had demonhide greaves from someone's else shared stash but never used them because never dropped them legitimately.

If you are using stonebinders you have +5 all skills. I won't look over your skills now to see whether you really need that or not, sorry, maybe later in the evening. But if your lich is "optional" then perhaps not. You can replace these demonhides with leggins of the defiled, Freija's boots or boots of the allfather. Or perhaps look better among dex and str gear when you have stats like these, caster gear is so poor in TQ.

discs of Mani https://tq-db.net/equipment/discs-of-mani Belisama's greaves https://tq-db.net/equipment/belisamas-greaves both have ok droprate in game. Or you can take very common Tracian shin guards https://tq-db.net/equipment/thracian-shin-guards for 20% str, then replace one of your rings with either Apollo's will or star of Elysium https://tq-db.net/equipment/star-of-elysium
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: botebote77 on 13 March 2019, 12:52:39
caster gear is so poor in TQ.
you really are a hater it's unbelievable.. but i won't start an argument.. sorry but i don't mean to be rude
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: botebote77 on 13 March 2019, 13:12:10
people should really explore being able to wear anything :)

it's been years now.. many people in the old forum used to do that.. not all but the pros.. those who know what they are doing
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 13 March 2019, 15:33:10
I had demonhide greaves from someone's else shared stash but never used them because never dropped them legitimately.

If you are using stonebinders you have +5 all skills. I won't look over your skills now to see whether you really need that or not, sorry, maybe later in the evening. But if your lich is "optional" then perhaps not. You can replace these demonhides with leggins of the defiled, Freija's boots or boots of the allfather. Or perhaps look better among dex and str gear when you have stats like these, caster gear is so poor in TQ.

discs of Mani https://tq-db.net/equipment/discs-of-mani Belisama's greaves https://tq-db.net/equipment/belisamas-greaves both have ok droprate in game. Or you can take very common Tracian shin guards https://tq-db.net/equipment/thracian-shin-guards for 20% str, then replace one of your rings with either Apollo's will or star of Elysium https://tq-db.net/equipment/star-of-elysium

The +1 to skills from demonskin might not be necessary, but i can't switch them, because they provide me with flat int, flat str, and +20% int. I'll check, but I'm positive that even with 17 attributes, I wouldn't be able to wear my gear. I'm not keen on sacrificing any resistances as well. Don't diss caster gear :p
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: mammoth_hunter on 13 March 2019, 18:44:04
i can't switch them, because they provide me with flat int, flat str, and +20% int.
And that int is from Durinn. Looks like you crafted yourself into a corner or something. Maybe you can replace one str/health ring with int mana though, if max strength you need is 320.

caster gear is so poor in TQ.
you really are a hater it's unbelievable.. but i won't start an argument.. sorry but i don't mean to be rude
Caster phobia! And then you ask "why do you hate us so much?" You really need a... different fix in gaming, this one is getting old. Its not hate, its stating and discussing things. By old team design decisions, warriors items in this game got warrior related stats, like strength, health, DA, pierce resistance, armor. Caster items got intelligence, mana and regen, cast speed, skill interruption protection and reduced recharge. They just forgot to spare some of the other part to both. New team tried to fix this mess with new items and redesigning old ones, but not nearly enough, there are still fuckton of shit caster gear, and try to get simple cast speed as melee without elemental related green rings or the like. And while lacking cast speed and recharge can be unpleasant, lacking resists and DA might be really painful.

If you remove Ragnarok items, what would you have for boots slot with decent resists and DA/hp, not counting demonhide? Leggins of the defiled, Santa's boots. Looks like all? Blackbeard's booties, if you are a fire mage perhaps and desperately need cold and lightning res.

And if you need to invest in strength as int character to get some basic defense stats, the game might have problems with itemisation.
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 13 March 2019, 19:37:50
And that int is from Durinn. Looks like you crafted yourself into a corner or something. Maybe you can replace one str/health ring with int mana though, if max strength you need is 320.
Not sure why I would need mana, but I tried with a socrates' ring of immortality, and I'd need 1 more lvl up to switch the boots to freyja.
I spent some attributes in str, to compare with apollo's will, and I can't tell clearly, but the 25% attack speed (golem heart) seems to outperform 110% pierce dmg. The dps agrees as well. And it's a 1000hp difference, so I'm staying with my original setup for now. Thank you for your insight though ^^
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: icefreeze on 13 March 2019, 20:18:04
You can using modified " game.dll " file to show direct dmg of character. It can help you see how good gear change affect to your attack dmg.
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: botebote77 on 13 March 2019, 22:27:33
thing is, a caster can wear what the player wants it to wear.. same with melees, what prevents them from wearing archmages clasp? other people's opinions? there are no rules in this game

edit: to all: who decided dex gear to be warrior gear anyway? people used to say every character should get dex.. then dex gear should be for every character.. although as far as I'm concerned, any character can wear any item if the player wants it


(not engaging in further debates  :-X   )
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 14 March 2019, 20:41:35
(not engaging in further debates  :-X   )
Thank you for not making it into an argument. It's not really related to the topic at hand.

You can using modified " game.dll " file to show direct dmg of character. It can help you see how good gear change affect to your attack dmg.
Thanks for the advice, i remember using something similar before to show pet dmg :>
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: mammoth_hunter on 18 March 2019, 18:14:07
You can using modified " game.dll " file to show direct dmg of character. It can help you see how good gear change affect to your attack dmg.
I think last time we tried to check it it turned out that modified game.dll makes floating numbers show your physical damage on ranged attacks, much like melee attacks do. Any non-physical is lost, but its what you actually need to know. Unless you know how to adress that specifically.

If you are interested in it, Koderkrazy made it into cheat table, and that one actually displays non-physical. https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=504.0
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: icefreeze on 18 March 2019, 18:17:18
You can using modified " game.dll " file to show direct dmg of character. It can help you see how good gear change affect to your attack dmg.
I think last time we tried to check it it turned out that modified game.dll makes floating numbers show your physical damage on ranged attacks, much like melee attacks do. Any non-physical is lost, but its what you actually need to know. Unless you know how to adress that specifically.

If you are interested in it, Koderkrazy made it into cheat table, and that one actually displays non-physical. https://titanquestfans.net/index.php?topic=504.0
I ask Koderkrazy and he show me the way to modified game.dll file to show all direct dmg( not pet's dmg or DoT).
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: efko on 18 March 2019, 19:47:40
Do you have contact for Koderkrazy? He is offline 2 months already.
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: icefreeze on 18 March 2019, 20:01:53
Do you have contact for Koderkrazy? He is offline 2 months already.
I send message to him to ask how to show dmg with modified Game.dll file since July 2018  ???.
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 06 June 2019, 13:48:04
Update for Atlantis

Troll's Branch drop got fixed, which means Bone Charmer gets an upgrade :>
Performance is now even better, in both survivability and damage; ternion with projectiles passing through is devastating. I'll gladly say now it's my favourite character, and one I'm most proud of.

Base Attributes:
1500 hp
500 ep
74 str
274 int
374 dex

Base stats:
(https://i.imgur.com/zzs6AtF.jpg)

Changed items:
(https://i.imgur.com/4GIVPeV.jpg)

Troll's Branch (of necromancy) - couldn't find a better one so far, will surely keep an eye out for a stronger one
Occult ring of Grace (Monkey King's Trickery with DA) - ran out of occult of immortality, but dex might work better here actually
Changed the relic in SBC from cold essence to magma, making up for the golem heart
Overall more casting speed, a bit more attack speed, huge damage boost from the staff, although I feel a bit squishier now with Atlantis add-on hmm
The projectiles from the new staff seem to pierce through enemies (like the dvergr staff) which is an even better addition to the build.
No need for Nidbow anymore, Soul Vortex allows some nice crowd and dactyl-tanking :p
Started using Vision of Death, still getting a bit used to it

Hunting:
(https://i.imgur.com/mV6PNXD.jpg)

Spirit:
(https://i.imgur.com/GRgIGc0.jpg)

Re-done Hades Palace:
https://youtu.be/70FKSsnMliY (https://youtu.be/70FKSsnMliY)
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Tauceti on 09 June 2019, 21:08:07
Ah a troll's branch user !

i just found one and wondered what i could do with it. That's an unconventional build.

Some thoughts:
- why do you put so many points in Circle of power ? usually i put only 1 point for the lifeleech (and vit dmg if needed) I understand that CDR is needed for Call of the Hunt and Soul Vortex (what a lovely new skill, i bet you use it often) but you already have the hood & the jade emperor. It's a question, not a criticism.
- How do you compare troll's branch to staff of the chosen ? Don't you miss the 2 sprigglings as a meat shield ?
- Your dps is great but you take too much damage. Well it's subjective and more of a gameplay debate. That said, most people use The Jade emperor, it's a great artifact sure. But silver heart / Sigil of bast / golden belt are better imho for protection. It implies some lost in CDR but you can recover it with other items like brisingamen.
- Your change from cold essence to primal magma is fair.
- what about Staff of the chosen with rogue ? wouldn't it be great ?
- Do you think Dream with the new skill Psionic beam could be better for the use of troll's branch ?

Thanks for having shared your build  ;)


Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 09 June 2019, 21:36:37
- why do you put so many points in Circle of power ? usually i put only 1 point for the lifeleech (and vit dmg if needed) I understand that CDR is needed for Call of the Hunt and Soul Vortex (what a lovely new skill, i bet you use it often) but you already have the hood & the jade emperor. It's a question, not a criticism.
- How do you compare troll's branch to staff of the chosen ? Don't you miss the 2 sprigglings as a meat shield ?
- Your dps is great but you take too much damage. Well it's subjective and more of a gameplay debate. That said, most people use The Jade emperor, it's a great artifact sure. But silver heart / Sigil of bast / golden belt are better imho for protection. It implies some lost in CDR but you can recover it with other items like brisingamen.
- Your change from cold essence to primal magma is fair.
- what about Staff of the chosen with rogue ? wouldn't it be great ?
- Do you think Dream with the new skill Psionic beam could be better for the use of troll's branch ?
hi, I'll try to give answers to those questions.
1] the answer would be too many skill points, I kind of forgot, I can place those points in lichy instead. Thanks for reminding me.
2] sprigglings don't give much of anything, i dont miss them :p
3] the damage is greater, and I found this beauty a few hours ago :
(https://i.imgur.com/vKa760F.jpg)
Now, with life leech the survivability isn't that much of an issue, it wasn't with staff of the chosen to begin with tbh, on 6-players difficulty (+multiplayer with the mod)
With enough attack speed i can leech fast enough, soul vortex is amazing as well, to run straight into a crowd. It's debatable, but it fits my playstyle, i wouldnt say i am too squishy.
4] making up for lost golem heart - yes
5] it's a possibility, it could work for a poison staff user, haven't built around it yet, so i cant say much
6] the projectiles from troll staff pass through enemies, so psionic beam wouldn't work as well as ternion

thank you for your insight :>
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: icefreeze on 10 June 2019, 04:27:21
Ah a troll's branch user !

i just found one and wondered what i could do with it. That's an unconventional build.

Some thoughts:
- why do you put so many points in Circle of power ? usually i put only 1 point for the lifeleech (and vit dmg if needed) I understand that CDR is needed for Call of the Hunt and Soul Vortex (what a lovely new skill, i bet you use it often) but you already have the hood & the jade emperor. It's a question, not a criticism.
- How do you compare troll's branch to staff of the chosen ? Don't you miss the 2 sprigglings as a meat shield ?
- Your dps is great but you take too much damage. Well it's subjective and more of a gameplay debate. That said, most people use The Jade emperor, it's a great artifact sure. But silver heart / Sigil of bast / golden belt are better imho for protection. It implies some lost in CDR but you can recover it with other items like brisingamen.
- Your change from cold essence to primal magma is fair.
- what about Staff of the chosen with rogue ? wouldn't it be great ?
- Do you think Dream with the new skill Psionic beam could be better for the use of troll's branch ?

Thanks for having shared your build  ;)
Staff of the chosen has % to summon sprig, but it very small. My last test is from Ragnarok 1.57, so if it improve in Atlantis, it can be helpful now.
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: botebote77 on 10 June 2019, 05:24:51
offtopic: i don't know this troll's branch because.... well.... lolz

but i checked tq-db and the loot table says it is dropped by rumplestiltskin

uhhh.. mythology meets fairytale? and where does rumplestiltskin spawn? somewhere where there's a lot of straw?  :))
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: icefreeze on 10 June 2019, 06:29:35
offtopic: i don't know this troll's branch because.... well.... lolz

but i checked tq-db and the loot table says it is dropped by rumplestiltskin

uhhh.. mythology meets fairytale? and where does rumplestiltskin spawn? somewhere where there's a lot of straw?  :))
Troll's Branch staff doesn't drop in Ragnarok v.157 and previous game version. Game Dev fix it to drop in Atlantis.
It drops from Troll Mage, some Barbaria look Mage guys in Act5. You can face them outside village of 2nd portal gate.
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: botebote77 on 10 June 2019, 11:15:24
just googled.. i don't remember seeing this hero in ragnarok.. or maybe i just didn't notice

but.... rumpelstiltskin is..... a giant?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1214520728

no i don't mean giant as in race.. i mean rumpelstiltskin is that big? nothing like the namesake

https://www.google.com/search?q=rumpelstiltskin&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj936OoyN7iAhUDQd4KHaM1D-sQ_AUoAXoECA0QAQ&biw=360&bih=592

edit: uh wait.. the giant one is the one with the star.. how can that carry a staff?
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 11 June 2019, 11:10:34
edit: uh wait.. the giant one is the one with the star.. how can that carry a staff?
I dont know where the name comes from, but I'm 99% sure Rumple-thing is a bonecaster troll, not the big one.
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: botebote77 on 11 June 2019, 12:36:37
edit: uh wait.. the giant one is the one with the star.. how can that carry a staff?
I dont know where the name comes from, but I'm 99% sure Rumple-thing is a bonecaster troll, not the big one.
maybe rumpelstiltskin is covered by the big troll then

it's from a fairy tale much like Cinderella, snow white.. but i guess it's less popular then

Quote
one upon a time, there was this dude who boasted his daughter can turn straw into gold

if you can't say his name, you better memorize it now.. he might take your future daughter  ;D

it's from the story ;D
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Tauceti on 11 June 2019, 19:49:07
Oh what an exceptional troll's branch you found !
this one paired with spirit mastery should make your toon hard to kill. A lovely staff for a hardcore ride.

That said i still can't see if bonecharmer or haruspex is better in the dps side, it would deserve some tests maybe.
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 12 June 2019, 10:09:41
That said i still can't see if bonecharmer or haruspex is better in the dps side, it would deserve some tests maybe.
Been thinking about it. I would guess haruspex makes a slightly more reliable tank, but without all the bleed bonuses from spirit, I see it a as pure pierce build (staff brigand :>). Unless you got something along the lines of troll's branch of torture, which sounds complex to build around, pierce + electroburn. Alternatively, staff of the chosen, with something like Sun Wukong artifact, wyrmskin harness / amun-ra mantle.
Let me know what you think, or if you test it - how it went :)
Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Azuralian on 19 June 2019, 03:12:39

Re-done Hades Palace:
https://youtu.be/70FKSsnMliY (https://youtu.be/70FKSsnMliY)

Hey!

I actually made an account to say that this is indeed a sick configuration, well done! Best of luck with the rest of the characters.

Title: Re: "100% volley" - Ternion Bone Charmer Build (pierce/bleed)
Post by: Torstein159 on 19 June 2019, 23:21:16
Hey!

I actually made an account to say that this is indeed a sick configuration, well done! Best of luck with the rest of the characters.
Aw, that's an honor, I appreciate it a lot, thank you.
Welcome to the forum~! Enjoy your stay :>
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