man all this talk i feel they're complicated.. I'd rather stick with my casters where i don't have to think what my gear should be.. just recharge and + to all skills.. and playstyle is just mostly rightclicky.. I'm not pushing for it.. it is just what is simple for me

edit: no need to think about OA, DA, DPS, attack speed, shield block 

If I didn't think about those things, I'd just end up with a char who can't do a thing.
Maybe it's because you build your chars so well and you're so good at the game that everything ends up so easy and almost mindless for you.


Anyway so far with this Berserker, I've alternated between str/str and str/dex when putting in attributes like I did my last Conqueror. I've started with Warfare and put points mostly into the mastery with a single point into every skill I need as I unlock them. I've put a couple points into Rune when I got to that point just to unlock a skill or two. Once I've maxed Warefare mastery, I'll move onto Rune and do the same thing with that, only after maxing both masteries, will I then start maxing the skills.

That's usually the case with dual-wield melee

Yes, you'll lack defense, but you'll compensate for that with three things:

• high damage: kill them before they kill you, also works well with some life leech gear
• passive and LMG-triggered CC (crowd control) and defense
• redundancies

Ignore Pain, Hamstring, Dodge Attack, Runeword: Explode, and Tumult, all bolster your defense, and/or stun or slow enemies, while
you are actively attacking.

Below 40 health, Sacred Rage kicks in (buff and enemy debuff). Then there's Seal of Fate (enemy debuff and CC), Energy Armor (buff), and Battle Standard (buff and enemy debuff).

It.....sounds like fun, I just know if I can do it and all of this stuff seems only useful when the required skills are maxed. Below that, not so much.

You're thinking about it too much. It's not like I'm a TQ pro-mathematician. In fact, I hate playing like that.

after reading through the old forums, reading through this one, reading your stuff......to me it all sounds like that anyway. Do this, do that, don't do this without that, time this right, don't do that when you only have so much of that and only to certain targets etc......a second too late and you get one shot and stuff.

yeah that skill distortion seemed off sorry dude ..  the 2 synergies of battle rage is not worth maxing.. 1pt is enough, even zero would be ok.. and since it's a late game build, i assume you consider +4 all skills.. casting ultimate max energy armor would be very difficult then because it's a dual wield str/dex.. sure you could keep items like pelaron and seal of the high priest just to cast it.. but by legendary, energy armor would dissipate too quickly it's very irritating to switch items constantly.. and the runeword:feather, why?

This is what I mean by really complicated. Trying to read this and understand as an example.
Clearly I'm not thinking enough.

Anyway, it was a hastily assembled TitanCalc, more as an example of how to run with dual-wield Onslaught.

Probably not a good idea for me to use then. You can problem make anything out of quick builds and stuff but someone like me would probably need the most perfect build ever or something.

games aren't about being the best or being the worst, it's about having fun

Wouldn't it be nice if games were made this way?
But no, "modern games" are made for people to go around saying they beat this or that in a couple weeks or this is too easy on hardest mode and people who can't beat the game on hardest with no deaths are gaming cancer. People like me.

This is why every game these days is stupidly hard from the get go where no amount of "hand holding" (otherwise known as basic instruction) will help you.

Yeah I remember those generic rules, that's what I did for both my conqueror and oracle

So from what I've read it doesn't matter what I do, I'm not amazing so I'm stuck.

Try a different character. It's random, but sometimes you can just feel unlucky with a certain character, especially when it comes to drops.

Build a character around a piece of gear you allready found, or go for a cookie-cutter build. This one looks like fun. You'll get a lot of offensive ability from skills, so you don't have to worry about stats too much, and it's perhaps the king of procs.

That build just seems a bit.....I dunno, bet it requires a lot of getting hit, standing in large groups of enemies to work.
and with some of those skills only lasting 3 secs, must require a lot of thinking constantly trying to juggle skills a lot.
I also don't know where attribute points go and what very specific gear I need, also I probably need to be max level with perfect gear for it to be any good like all builds.

Not sure what you mean by feeling lucky with a build and I've never been lucky in my entire time playing this game with drops.
and I can't build chars myself so building one around a gear piece is a big no no. I'm not a pro so I can't figure out all the little itricacies of each and every single piece of gear in the game.
I'm not like you guys.

Let's see

• Caster type- Pro: lots of damage. Con: Fragile as hell
• Melee type (Warfare+anything)- Pro and con, same as Caster type but even more with being up close all the time
• Tanky melee type (Defense+anything but mostly Warfare)- Pro: stays alive a bit longer. Con:low damage and apparently won't survive in harder difficulties.

Seems whatever I do, something will stop me getting anywhere.

Think I'm only at level 32 or something.
Tried the build you mentioned as well as the gear suggestions. I'm faring no better, enemies take ages to take down, wisp pet dies every 5 seconds and I'm still chugging energy and health potions every 5 seconds. Maxed Squall barely does anything and there are far too many projectiles to dodge to make it useful.

Have to say hunting because i am biased towards using a bow...the first class i ever finished tqit with on legendary was a brigand

lol brigand was my first when finishing normal (This was before AE though so probably easier anyway).
My entire tactics were simply shooting arrows at things, great with groups of enemies but takes longer on bosses since I'd go for shoot, dodge, shoot, dodge.

Played the original version a lot, even played it a lot when it come out on Steam.

Now this.
Seems the difficulty got a huge buff this time around because daaamn...

Tried a Conqueror and currently trying an Oracle, both get stuck at the beginning of Act IV
Starts out slow, gets easier and then the difficulty stops being a curve and turns into a wall when I hit Typhon.
I barely make it and then Act IV just destroys me. This is on normal by the way, not Epic or the next one over.

My only journey into epic difficulty in the original game was as a brigand and I simply dodged everything and shot every target full of arrows.
Same with Hades and Typhon. Let off an arrow, dodge projectile, let off an arrow, etc.
Doubt that would work now and it probably wasn't the best strat anyway.

I've played this game a hell of a lot but I wouldn't say I'm amazing or anything (far from it)

Anniverary Edition kicking my ass, unsure if I'll ever play the new dlc.
I'd rather not start a new character and jump straight to it either.

I do enjoy all the new stuff to the base game though like the hero monsters that are always in certain locations.
Just wish normal didn't feel like epic.