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Title: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 03 July 2020, 04:48:20
Hello everyone. I just thought of maybe could be an interesting challenge that i think anyone can join and play.

From the title, it's a single mastery challenge, but there is a (sort of). That's because you are allowed to get a 2nd mastery, BUT you are not allowed to get any skill from your 2nd mastery. That is, you are only allowed to put points on the mastery bar of your 2nd mastery, but only the mastery bar, no skills from there.

So by this rule, i think it shouldn't be too hard because the drawback of getting too little health, mana, and stats is eliminated. But it's also not too easy because it's untwinked (no inheritance items allowed), and it's a hardcore challenge so you are not allowed to die.

What do you guys think? Chime in with your opinions and post your entry character/s if you like.

hopefools
botebote77 - plsdrinkpoison - Rogue - L66 - Helos


banished from existence
Tauceti - Ni - Defense L63 - Olympus - died against Typhon
botebote77 - Rin - Storm L34 - medea's grove - died trying to farm Typhon
rakshir - Durgoth - Spirit - L40 - died in Atlantis


blue => normal
green => epic
red => legendary
maroon => i see dead people
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 03 July 2020, 20:39:06
I am currently playing soulvizier mod and this mod is really addictive with its soul mechanism.
On the other hand, lose faith on any hardcore challenge with it because this mod is even harder than xmax mod !

So your challenge Bote is interesting, i' ll think about it. Defender, wanderer or even a rogue one should be on the starting block  ;D
What are your rules, a pic for each main boss ? what about normal mode ? (like in Medea's challenges)

Edit: do you allow scrolls ?
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 04 July 2020, 01:20:54
What are your rules, a pic for each main boss ?
i think that requires too many unnecessary pics. just a pic from time to time will do. like after beating Typhon, if that's your first pic I'd count it.

Edit: do you allow scrolls ?
yes. i intended this to be vanilla so everything that goes with vanilla is ok. e.g: scrolls, potions, cheesing, controller use, console use... except getting skills from the 2nd mastery
and also no manipulation of game files. like completing a quest and going back to a previous save and redoing the quest if you don't like the rewards. or completing an artifact and going back to a previous save if you don't like the completion bonus. or if you die, and going back to a previous save that shows zero deaths
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 04 July 2020, 14:19:37
I scratched my head to choose a single mastery  ::)

Wanderer is imo the best choice if one wants to go far here and Rogue is a solid choice to deal with bosses in a cheesy way. Hmm..
Finally i took a defender as the play style is still appealing. But il will require, contrary to the wanderer or rogue, much more farming runs since a melee char heavily depends on gear.

So here is a new entry: the knight Ni  !
After a few runs on Nessus, finally found a blue weapon on Nessus' chest. It should be useful at L11 and give me time to find a very fast green weapon, better for a melee char.

(https://i.imgur.com/6zMiTo8.jpg)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: IdoNotKnowWhy on 05 July 2020, 16:48:27
Seer will be a good choice for this challenge.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 06 July 2020, 23:23:43
An update for act 1.

I realize now that good artifacts won't be easy to make when playing self-found.

As expected, Ni spent a lot of gorgons runs to find stonebinder's cuffs.
Unexpected was the time spent on Telkine runs to achieve the main greece relics needed later for artifacts.

(https://i.imgur.com/1pZPF4s.jpg)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: lixiss on 07 July 2020, 01:43:47
An update for act 1.
I realize now that good artifacts won't be easy to make when playing self-found.
As expected, Ni spent a lot of gorgons runs to find stonebinder's cuffs.
Unexpected was the time spent on Telkine runs to achieve the main greece relics needed later for artifacts.

Good work, I very like idea! The only mine question - how far "Mi" character can go deep if it will get both of any masteries but did not take any skill? :) Kind of another (may be good old known?) challenge?

Your first attempt of getting of Stonebinder's Cuffs should be in Pythian Caves. This is fantastic place for farming them AND this place also often offer you big number of semi-magical chests including big ones which also offer a lot of relics in the end. If you farm Stonebinder's Cuffs in labyrinth - i feel at this moment you can get really good prefixes, may be dual green prefixes if you very lucky, or at least useful prefixes, say - light of gryphon - is absolutely doable, - but you will never meet big magical chests, - and number of relics will be fairly low, compared to pythian caves. On other side - lot of mechanical parts which i'm usually miss. But, farming Telkine - it is bit suboptimal in my taste. Generally he drop nothing valuable like almost any boss in this game _at_this_part_of_game_. Surely, i'm doesn't critique you of course. Just never had feel to farm telkine which drop lot of completely useless items (for me). Yellow mystical orb? It usually drop only "sell me now" items. (However i'm surely have very personalized point of view.)

PS: However, regardless, to what i'm wrote up, i'm usually rely on cuffs, but at same time hate them - they appear too early, you can farm week for good one which you like and... you not progress in game. This mean what you should know what you want, otherwise it no have any sense. And affixes are limited to pretty low quality. I'm really hate this aspect. Also i'm hate what during farming character usually overleveled content, but eventually he/she ass will be kicked hard when xp curve return it to "normal" state, but until this moment it feel a like "very strong", but it is always false feel. It is just general complaining. For this challenge every your level up is good thing and pretty valid. // I'm just worry what it may become annoying very fast while trying to get something what you want, but RNG thing in other way.

PPS: Also playing in SV-AERA actively, and also addicted to new Defender (in my case Defender+Storm). It is trash-mob exploder... (i'm heavily invested into weapon buffs and wear classical +elemental damage gear like of pegasus, or of gryphon and! two green loops of whirwinds and green necklacke of whirlwinds (all 3 come with +health regen and +mana regen which are very useful) -> this ends with more than +100% to lightning/cold damage, so investments in weapon buffs not just reasonable - combining with defense dual strike makes them 2x more effective and in fact 3-4x effectively -> only few tough enemies can survive batter). :)) SV-AERA definitely make new Defender stronger, i guess, area of effect of batter is way more bigger. However, i'm also overlevel by farming content (not the first time, but this time - dramatically!). Haha. But it is rewardable - almost everything blows up. Also found some reciepe for wand and now want again play with Prophet (because wand on defender is useless). But it is so long... Ugh.

PPPS: In reality i'm long time almost ignore defense mastery completely for no reason. Don't know why. Main thing which i'm disliked - it is purple circles caused by rend armor. I'm fix what, by removing this effect (by simple file override) - so this purple circles no more train my eyes every 4 seconds.

PPPPS: My first mastery which i'm play in original TQ - was Warfare. And after what i'm start to hate it, because it was horrible experience because *I'm* was too young. I'm doesn't know how i'm able come into Athens without non-magical items. I'm guess i'm doesn't know about filters (if there is was any of) or something. But i'm constantly lack health, so lack, what health recovery from quest rewards was welcome... Ugh. I'm had no money. If i'm remember right - i'm doesn't know in that time about teleporting, as result - can't sell everything for money. :) Or original TQ was really more complex? I'm know what base regen rate + recovery items now are probably much stronger, but really don't remember experience which was too long ago. Probably need to refresh original experience at least in act 1.

PPPPPS: Well, at this moment i'm dislike Warfare for other reason: it says what it is physical/soldier combatant. But instead it land spells like war cry, battle standard or so and even summons. I'm just can't accept mentally this. However, i'm understand what in this games any char is always has some spells, but... Just mentality. In same way i'm dislike rangers, but for another reason - they put debuffs on you too fast without any reason. You can "nullify" self to remove debuff from self - it is non-sense action - you will be debuffed almost immediately again. And at normal skill levels (1/1) - you can try nullify them - but in fact they will debuff you also almost immediately. Yep, skill requires investment -> but with normal skill disposition -> it is useless. The problem what CD is not adequate, and what 3, 5, 7, 10 of them may cast it on you. So, debuffing just has no sense -> it is easier kill them by raw power. :) In that sense i'm dislike spell breaker at all -> it is interesting game mechanics, but from one side unnecessary trivialize game in some cases, but in other cases if your character are heavy on buffs -> it gives you no chances to countering this, and adds only kiting rather than something interesting.

Mans, sorry, for unrelated wall of text. It was accidentally.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 07 July 2020, 02:28:50
I'll just update it on the main post.
i feel it a little strange that no one mentioned hunting as i feel it's what is suited for this challenge. but maybe I'm wrong. i started with Rogue but duhhh so very slow early game. and around lvl 8, i started to question the importance of +4 where there's not many skills you can get and the one's you will get you will likely max anyway. eh i don't know but for rogue no doubt it's needed.
so i started with storm but still very early and i forgot to take a pic. I'll include it when it progresses

forgot to say, Tauceti already knows this but for those thinking to join, if you want to farm the secret passage, giving it an overlord is not allowed. you have to farm for it yourself if you want to farm the secret passage >:D
but farming the secret passage is not a must. or you can go back to normal when you are around lvl 50 and farm overlord there.
and if you have Atlantis, yes doing Atlantis act is a must
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 08 July 2020, 10:43:12
it's going to be a slow progress, but i'm quite used to playing storm self-found actually. most of the farming is done in act 1, and always check merchants for indomitable necklace.
shadowmaw spawned, as shown in the pic. but i'm quite used to playing with 3 big dogs so fighting 1 shadowmaw wasn't really a fistpump
(https://i.imgur.com/WXHz0ZD.jpg)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 08 July 2020, 20:45:31
how far "Mi" character can go deep if it will get both of any masteries but did not take any skill? :) Kind of another (may be good old known?) challenge?
Not sure that you would go beyond normal without skills. The problem i see with this challenge is that there is no more difference between classes.

Quote
Your first attempt of getting of Stonebinder's Cuffs should be in Pythian Caves. This is fantastic place for farming them AND this place also often offer you big number of semi-magical chests including big ones which also offer a lot of relics in the end. If you farm Stonebinder's Cuffs in labyrinth - i feel at this moment you can get really good prefixes, may be dual green prefixes if you very lucky, or at least useful prefixes, say - light of gryphon - is absolutely doable, - but you will never meet big magical chests, - and number of relics will be fairly low, compared to pythian caves. On other side - lot of mechanical parts which i'm usually miss. But, farming Telkine - it is bit suboptimal in my taste. Generally he drop nothing valuable like almost any boss in this game _at_this_part_of_game_.
true enough but such farming runs on gorgons and telkine are more for relics/formulas/greens/blues than for a special piece of gear like stonebinder's cuffs (which are not mandatory at all in normal mode). You may find only crappy yellow but on the long term boss runs are a valuable source of relics and good blues.

it's going to be a slow progress, but i'm quite used to playing storm self-found actually. most of the farming is done in act 1, and always check merchants for indomitable necklace.

Hey i was feeling alone. Great ! I hope other fools will join us  ;D
btw what is an indomitable necklace ?

Here is an update for act II
(https://i.imgur.com/4h6HfQn.jpg)
Knight Ni got his 1st good green weapon at this stage which granted a decent dps of 200 through act II. It should work until mid act 3 but will be too low for late act III.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 09 July 2020, 04:13:35
indomitable is a prefix
(https://i.imgur.com/HIWKq0L.png)
one of those you tend to ignore when playing twinked. but untwinked early game and for a hardcore run, it's a nice piece of jewelry

edit: not that you would need it because of that skill right up there. forgot the name. but me i need it. hey could you give me that skill in exchange for lightning dash? lol jk

i just finished act 1. normally i would farm there first but this time i decided to just push through
(https://i.imgur.com/aWxhj65.jpg)
i would still probably farm shadowmaw later on. it's the best farming spot for demons blood. around lvl 25 should be easy
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: lixiss on 09 July 2020, 21:47:44
indomitable is a prefix
I'm not understand what you mean. It is uncommon to see this prefix early, and... well... What it exactly gives for you? In my personal taste, unless you play with mods (and challenge is not about) - stuns are pathetic. I'm asking by just want to get another vision, because mine personal vision rate this as completely useless charm (EDITED: prefix of course). I'm not saying what it is absolutely useless, but in mine reality, i'm personally never had feeling what i'm should raise CC resistances (in act 1-3 / normal).

ADD: In the end - all paragraph above can be rephrased - why you think this is so good / important?
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 09 July 2020, 23:44:36
stuns are pathetic
umm not gonna argue.. i mean.... yeah not gonna argue.
hey wanna join  ^-^
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 10 July 2020, 00:51:43
one of those you tend to ignore when playing twinked. but untwinked early game and for a hardcore run, it's a nice piece of jewelry

Ah ok. And no i won't exchange iron will with lightning dash  ;D
Therefore i prefer ritual necklace that prevent from high spike damage monsters like djinns heroes (i've bad memories of Safya and Sagira that stopped one hardcore run).

@lixiss Stun resistance is mandatory even in act 1-3 normal. Elder centaur, Minotaur lord, wyrm mage and i believe tigerlord, and indeed Barmanu can stop your run with one stun hit.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 11 July 2020, 00:46:16
With defender core skills reached, act III was the time to put points on warfare mastery (no skills though) in order to pump up HP, strength and dex.

(https://i.imgur.com/4k6vaSk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tVAuKyj.jpg)

Knight Ni tried some Typhon runs  but stopped quickly on the 3rd try. Too much time spent and too many risks for a hazardous result.
Although a typhon run was rather secure when staying focused, it's easy to slip on a soap  ::)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 11 July 2020, 11:42:46
i finished the first 2 acts with zero farming runs
(https://i.imgur.com/6V3UEuT.jpg)
it will come though for sure. the last boss of act 2 was nice enough to give me white crown. how nice, +120 DA
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 13 July 2020, 01:06:45
Act IV was ok until the end which was... stressful.
Not because of Hades but due to 3 dactyls along the way  :o

The first dactyl was blocking the way to a general. It wasn't expected and rushed him unprepared.
Ding dang dong, the bell rang !
The defender survived its first close call thanks to its high HP pool.

(https://i.imgur.com/HWJvi5P.jpg)

The second one was protecting a crystal of Erebus. This time i used a scroll and summoned a cyclop hoping for a distraction. This @#& cyclop (on the right corner), probably because he's one-eyed, rushed the ... crystal and didn't care of the dactyl. Therefore i rushed the dactyl and thanks to the new perfect block skill could avoid one wave.

(https://i.imgur.com/ueBA3QE.jpg)

The third dactyl was standing on the final straight to Hades. A new cyclop was summoned which distracted the dactyl as expected, symplifying the fight.

(https://i.imgur.com/Spj1UaT.jpg)

Farming Hades was not an option, enough sweat this evening  >:(
(https://i.imgur.com/Swu9vrO.jpg)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 13 July 2020, 13:00:46
hoo boy.. it's not easy at all.. but long story short, i'm past act 3
(https://i.imgur.com/LXhl0AV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tzql02S.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OdYsvnn.jpg)

also, Tauceti, i think that first cyclops you summoned is smart. "what you summoned me just to fight a Dactyl? screw you. i'm saving my own ass"   ;D

all i farmed for are relics and charms, some gold (because all my money got spent on trying which skill combination worked), and some XP. it's not as simple as it may seem. for example, when squall was losing it's killing power, i wanted to get ice shard. but it's too mana hungry. if i had access to 2nd mastery skills, i could've gotten nature or dream. but no i have to compensate with my items. but no i have no items. i have to farm for my own items. but f*** the more i farm, the more i risk deaths. i realized i could never farm Typhon. too dangerous. maybe storm is not the best for this challenge. but i think if i ever pull this off, the more sense of accomplishment i get. that's a big IF tho

i still haven't chosen a 2nd mastery. 2nd masteries are overrated lol
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 14 July 2020, 10:11:42
i died trying to farm Typhon. I'm a stupid nincompoop.
i think where i went wrong was sticking to arc discharge hard. it was good against trash mobs at least until the first half of act 3. but it also cost 12 skill points. 8 from arc discharge and another extra 4 that needed to be spent on wisp just for it to work because it needs thunder clap. i think it's better if i had just farmed for oracle's set and stick to ice shard through and through. that 12 points on arc discharge i should've spent that on my 2nd mastery instead. i was sporting just 1.2k health. oh well
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 14 July 2020, 20:30:57
Ooh storm nincompoop (i didn't know this word), what have you done, farming Typhon with 1.2k HP ? but it's ... like wearing a Trump wig nowadays, it's dangerous. I'm kidding no politics here  ;D
Well i will feel lonely here. Hope you will take another (tankier) mastery ;)

Went into Atlantis, i haven't been in a long time. Much better without Xmax but basic monsters hit harder than act IV whereas drops are less good. Still worthy though for the beautiful landscape.
(https://i.imgur.com/7tLlPNn.jpg)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 17 July 2020, 01:04:19
try again. hopefully this rogue nincompoop this time reaches at least act 5 normal where i can farm the primrose passage and the sciron area for scironian MIs

also, a sacred amulet (a rare prefix), is just the same as a common +2 to specific mastery skills. in my case, assassin's if i'm not mistaken

this time i did some farm runs. got a lot of blues but of course the game is weird. it gives you a lot of items but the one you are farming for, it won't give it to you. in some 20 minolord + telkine runs, i never got a single valor of achilles piece. so i just proceed to act 2 (edit: nah much closer to 15 runs)

name: plsdrinkpoison - L19 - rhakotis
(https://i.imgur.com/2Ym1fE8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lTiJREZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bP5C7xR.jpg)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: ALEX_CARDO on 17 July 2020, 10:03:46
try again. hopefully this rogue nincompoop this time reaches at least act 5 normal where i can farm the primrose passage and the sciron area for scironian MIs

also, a sacred amulet (a rare prefix), is just the same as a common +2 to specific mastery skills. in my case, assassin's if i'm not mistaken

this time i did some farm runs. got a lot of blues but of course the game is weird. it gives you a lot of items but the one you are farming for, it won't give it to you. in some 20 minolord + telkine runs, i never got a single valor of achilles piece. so i just proceed to act 2 (edit: nah much closer to 15 runs)

name: plsdrinkpoison - L19 - rhakotis
(https://i.imgur.com/2Ym1fE8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lTiJREZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bP5C7xR.jpg)
How did you beat Shadowmaw at lvl12 and less than 1k HP without dying? Did you use throwing weapon and hit and run tactics?

P.S. This challenge is very interesting for me but I think it's better first finish Legendary with my first character and then spend time on other adventures :)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 17 July 2020, 11:25:31
yep.. kinda used to it now.. done it several times already.. my calculated strike and lucky hit are both maxed already by that time.. it's easier that way so shadowmaw dies faster
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 17 July 2020, 23:51:06
try again. hopefully this rogue nincompoop this time reaches at least act 5 normal where i can farm the primrose passage and the sciron area for scironian MIs

also, a sacred amulet (a rare prefix), is just the same as a common +2 to specific mastery skills. in my case, assassin's if i'm not mistaken


There is also the hallowed helmet sold by merchants which comes with high vitality resistance in addition to +1 all skills.
Why the primrose passage ? i never really found someting interesting in there (but only tried a few times).

This challenge is very interesting for me but I think it's better first finish Legendary with my first character and then spend time on other adventures :)
You can find a lot more challenges in this forum. That said, my feeling is it's easier running the same challenge as others since it's a looooong run. Join us  ;)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: ALEX_CARDO on 18 July 2020, 07:51:38
This challenge is very interesting for me but I think it's better first finish Legendary with my first character and then spend time on other adventures :)
You can find a lot more challenges in this forum. That said, my feeling is it's easier running the same challenge as others since it's a looooong run. Join us  ;)
For sure I'll join you in different challenges :) I'll just first push to finish the game in Legendary because I've still haven't done this :)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 18 July 2020, 09:50:48
yep Alex dude, you would be welcome to join when you feel like it

There is also the hallowed helmet sold by merchants which comes with high vitality resistance in addition to +1 all skills.
Why the primrose passage ? i never really found someting interesting in there (but only tried a few times).
would like to look for Blackbeard's Booties. and yep i check merchants often for a Hallowed helm. if i still can't find 1 by the time I'm in act 5, I'd settle for scironian helm.

That said, my feeling is it's easier running the same challenge as others since it's a looooong run. Join us  ;)
oh boy i remember the previous hybrid hardcore challenge i proposed, i was alone it felt so lonely i decided not to continue my character. it's like you're trying to do something but nobody cares about it. to this day, nobody still joined that challenge

I'm actually running an evoker untwinked hardcore character right now. still a long way but it really doesn't feel difficult. not worthy of the title "challenge" imo. of course it helps that I've been through legendary a lot already and know what to expect
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 18 July 2020, 20:52:43
Doors to Epic in sight !

(https://i.imgur.com/h12PLee.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/ZzMyyyd.jpg)

Only one farming spot onto Thrym which gave good blues like Rings of the rhine.
Still in search for a better weapon though. A dps of 600-700 is rather low for epic.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 20 July 2020, 01:08:17
slowly inching forward. Babylon Outskirts. at L28, picked my 2nd mastery - Defense for high health. but of course no skills
(https://i.imgur.com/L8Vk0vp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/A3AgYvT.jpg)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 22 July 2020, 01:52:53
PGB FTW
(https://i.imgur.com/NF7D7RE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6bEi3sm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/V1iRjYY.jpg)
i feel like i can farm Typhon. but no. lesson learned. moving on
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 22 July 2020, 20:08:14
What is PGB useful for, killing speed of basic monsters or else as a Boss killing skill ?

About knight Ni, act I was soft, no better gear found though.
I tried some farming on epic gorgons but without success.

However found a trick: after you killed the gorgons and claimed the next rebirth fountain, you can farm both the pythian caves and go back to the gorgons.
This is possible when close to the gorgons doors, you touch the K key (or the one on your keyboard setup when you are stuck), you will be teleported next to the majestic chest.
Be careful though since all the gorgons sisters will be upset at once.

(https://i.imgur.com/04LqxEw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R4icE1a.jpg)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 24 July 2020, 22:44:23
What is PGB useful for, killing speed of basic monsters or else as a Boss killing skill ?
(https://i.imgur.com/04LqxEw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R4icE1a.jpg)
don't look too much into anything i say. we are fools who think a 2nd mastery is not important, and that inheritance items are just a waste of inventory space. if i'm maybe assassin then of course i will just put my points on onslaught tree. or brigand, then marksmanship tree and wood lore. but no i'm just rogue with just +1 to all skills and no cast speed.
but yes PGB improved a lot with the atlantis update. few things that might be unnoticed: if thrown at long range, it will fire one at somewhere near your cursor, and one each on your left and right sides. but it might be even better if thrown at point-blank range because those 3 projectiles will all result in fragments (the 2nd skill). and the fear effect is just too good. one thing i've noticed though, is that fear don't work on undeads. i don't know if it's a bug or not. i guess you don't fear anything if you are already dead

small update on plsdrinkpoison:
last quest i've finished is the boss spider on cave of whispers
(https://i.imgur.com/bXsqwhQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Wlk9Dvz.jpg)
cave of whispers, on my pillow
leave the winter on the ground
i wake up lonely, in this air of silence
in the bedroom and all around

you know i loved pretty woman even though it's a bland story. and i love that song by roxette. my age shows but i'm not that old. also why i'm more comfortable in this forum is because there are people here older than me  ^-^

next update will probably be somewhere in act 5 or atlantis. or maybe a pic of my graveyard marker
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 26 July 2020, 23:44:34
we are fools who think a 2nd mastery is not important, and that inheritance items are just a waste of inventory space.

Got the same feeling right now. Although pleased with the tin can and its gameplay style, the pure defender lacks of damage power. I am still in search of a better weapon again and again to balance this. Guess that legendary will be terrible if no good gear can be found along the way.

But one step forward with epic act II done.

(https://i.imgur.com/QFF3fMY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/INZ3pvj.jpg)

Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 28 July 2020, 12:38:04
looks like small update but i wouldn't say so
(https://i.imgur.com/WB6nggs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KugzVRM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kc6f1xC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XL6I9Yf.jpg)
because my resists and DA look decent now for epic so that means no more farming for the rest of normal.. i'll go through atlantis now then go back to act 5

@Tauceti i'm sure you know the pain of farming for hours and the comfort of just going through the story

it took me almost 4 hrs just to find blackbeard's booties.
anyway, it's a trapper now thanks to Heron's Gear (+2 to rapid construction), and scironian MIs
edit: occult amulet and 2 summoner's rings (elemental because I've had it with undeads and ghosts)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 30 July 2020, 23:50:46
Barmanu was rather easy with the unyielded phalanx that kept its attention along the fight.
Regarding The Dragon liche, i took time to raise resistances and it was ok so that i could make a few farming runs. One of these gave me the first purple melee weapon: Spinbreaker.
In terms of damage, Spinbreaker is not bad but it's a slow weapon ... and therefore not the best one for a defender that relies mostly on the shield mechanics.

Had the time for better gear finally come ?  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/WcGLF9L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1Td46lg.jpg)

Mid act III difficulty is very noticeable when playing self-found. So again i took time to raise DA, armor, pierce resistance while keeping other resistances at decent levels.
And was happy with the result, particularly in wusao mountains where draconians can be so deadly fast. But rising all these protections come with a cost: an even lower dps.
Knight Ni was sturdy but was so slow that even the oldest turtle doesn't give him a chance in a sprint.

And came Typhon.
I didn't undestand what happended. It was a wall, you know like in Game of Thrones. Unable to scratch it.
And knight Ni finally hit the ground. I started over and over and 4 times, exploded without being able to kill Typhon  :o

(https://i.imgur.com/MTEgA3W.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IBArATI.jpg)

So Bote, i hope you will find out the grail and bring us a shrubbery !

Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 31 July 2020, 13:04:43
awwww the tin can melted. just as i was about to join you in epic. welp

i didn't have any real trouble in atlantis and act 5. i knew my farm runs would pay off

i forgot to take a pic in atlantis so i just took a screenshot of Atlantis questlog. but i done all of it
(https://i.imgur.com/095b23b.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Uybj2B9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fy70aFM.jpg)

onto epic
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 05 August 2020, 00:33:27
no update
the nba is back and i will never choose playing TQ over watching NBA
but i still plan to continue this challenge
and i still will visit this site
just saying...
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 07 August 2020, 21:33:04
As a non-american, i can't understand why the NBA is so important  ;D

Do you open your challenge to other mods like Shadow champions, Legend of champions, Soulvizier etc.
It would open a window on the amazing stuff made by modders here !

Maybe the best place would be on the 6player mod challenge you created  but i don't know if it's possible to play 6xplayer mod with Shadow champions.

Up to now i have a Shadow champions char in normal act 2 built on one mastery.
Unfortunately, i will have to pause this char for a while since there is a new Path of diablo ladder reset starting on august 14th (it's my NBA !) but i should resume with the SC char after a few weeks.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 08 August 2020, 00:05:23
Do you open your challenge to other mods
unfortunately no. because i don't play those mods. i have to apologize again because i used to be a beta tester to some of those mods. but i stopped because i just don't play TQ that much anymore, not because i didn't like those mods

part of the reason why i started this challenge is trying to understand the devs, hence vanilla. i first tried just SSF hardcore, 2 masteries allowed. but i felt like i could complete that challenge on my first try if i just played patiently and carefully. and completing a challenge on your first try isn't a challenge at all

SSF because I'm one of those old dogs that believe RPGs are meant to be played SSF. yes there is a transfer stash but i believe the devs are just trying to cater to more gamers. if you twink, the game becomes too easy even odd builds like hybrids or warfare casters become easy. you have to play difficulty mods to balance it out. but then it defeats the purpose of trying to understand the devs

i don't even use TQvault now. i just make accomplished hero mules for more storage. my name here is plsdrinkpoison and it's mule's name is poisonmule. there was a time i couldn't play without TQvault but now it just kinda disgusts me. apologies to the author, personal opinion. now it's like an atma trying to be a jamella editor. i hate jamella editor. i understand some people use it only for storage. i respect them for that.


As a non-american, i can't understand why the NBA is so important  ;D
basketball is big here in my country. and I'm non-american. that's all I'm going to say.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: soa on 08 August 2020, 00:28:52
Do you open your challenge to other mods
unfortunately no. because i don't play those mods. i have to apologize again because i used to be a beta tester to some of those mods. but i stopped because i just don't play TQ that much anymore, not because i didn't like those mods
That made me smile, because you were the first asking to test SV. No big deal, but your comments or feedback on it are still welcomed, anytime.

part of the reason why i started this challenge is trying to understand the devs, hence vanilla. i first tried just SSF hardcore, 2 masteries allowed. but i felt like i could complete that challenge on my first try if i just played patiently and carefully. and completing a challenge on your first try isn't a challenge at all
I'm not sure there's anything to understand ? It's not like they really think everything out. They just made many dubious additions, and now they don't really care about them.
IMO, the issue with vanilla is that you have to create "challenges" to get something that is not extremely easy, but for that you have to shoot yourself in the foot by using only one mastery and/or yellows, and such. That reduces the global variety of the game.

SSF because I'm one of those old dogs that believe RPGs are meant to be played SSF. yes there is a transfer stash but i believe the devs are just trying to cater to more gamers. if you twink, the game becomes too easy even odd builds like hybrids or warfare casters become easy. you have to play difficulty mods to balance it out. but then it defeats the purpose of trying to understand the devs

i don't even use TQvault now. i just make accomplished hero mules for more storage. my name here is plsdrinkpoison and it's mule's name is poisonmule. there was a time i couldn't play without TQvault but now it just kinda disgusts me. apologies to the author, personal opinion. now it's like an atma trying to be a jamella editor. i hate jamella editor. i understand some people use it only for storage. i respect them for that.
Amen to that.
TQ Vault ruined TQ for me several years ago (I mean I respect the work of the author, the coding and all is probably good, but you should absolutely stay away from this tool if you don't want to ruin the experience on the long term).
I'm glad I noticed that, and now I don't use it anymore, it's far better this way. Saves a lot of time too.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 09 August 2020, 12:16:32
I'm not sure there's anything to understand ? It's not like they really think everything out. They just made many dubious additions, and now they don't really care about them.
probably true.. sad

but here we go.
act 1 epic was pretty fast. my resists and DA are pretty good already, so no need for much farming. i just had to replace relics and charms with epic versions (golden fleece, dionysus wineskin, demons blood, and pristine plumage). golden fleece and dionysus wineskin i was able to make completed relics just by going through the game. demons blood took about 10 mins from shadowmaw. i ended up having to farm for 15 pcs because i wanted 2, and i wanted at least one of them to have vit res comp bonus. got it on the 3rd try. pristine plumage meh, just outside knossos. i didn't even think of farming for a weapon because for sure a neiths will, or a ladon's maw, or a ra's touch would drop. true enough neiths will and ladon's maw dropped in act 1. but really, i almost don't attack with my weapon i'm even considering taking away all my points spent on calculated strike.
(https://i.imgur.com/FAtsb2g.jpg)
edit: oop yes, i also farmed for epic SB cuffs
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 10 August 2020, 00:55:24
Do you open your challenge to other mods
unfortunately no. because i don't play those mods. i have to apologize again because i used to be a beta tester to some of those mods. but i stopped because i just don't play TQ that much anymore, not because i didn't like those mods

Ok nevermind

but really, i almost don't attack with my weapon i'm even considering taking away all my points spent on calculated strike.

I guess for knives at ultimate skill ?

TQ Vault ruined TQ for me several years ago (I mean I respect the work of the author, the coding and all is probably good, but you should absolutely stay away from this tool if you don't want to ruin the experience on the long term).
I'm glad I noticed that, and now I don't use it anymore, it's far better this way. Saves a lot of time too.

To me, Vault or not Vault is not the question. One cannot reduce the fun of a hack'n slash in blasting monsters and finding better gear along the way. There is also all the time spent in choosing the best combination of gear that allows new builds, and i love that part of the game (that is a time not playing but imagine and test builds). On the long term, TQ vault is necessary to open new possibilities.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: soa on 10 August 2020, 01:32:17
To me, Vault or not Vault is not the question. One cannot reduce the fun of a hack'n slash in blasting monsters and finding better gear along the way. There is also all the time spent in choosing the best combination of gear that allows new builds, and i love that part of the game (that is a time not playing but imagine and test builds). On the long term, TQ vault is necessary to open new possibilities.
You can totally ruin the game using TQ Vault, I've already experienced that. If you use it, then finding gear along the way becomes irrelevant, the more you play, the more chances are that you'll find a lot better in your Vault, and the extremely low level/attribute requirements of the game don't help. This contributes to make the game boring and too easy. You're not trying to find gear for yourself, but for other chars and you start very quickly to crumble under tons of stuff, because in one playthrough, you'll always find much more good stuff than what you will use. Eventually, a lot of stuff you will find will not even be worth it for any of your other characters, because you just have too much stuff.
On the long term, it had removed all interest in playing the game for me. Staying away is just my advice (I'm not even talking about cheating features in the tool). Sure, you can add your personal rules like not reusing items with several chars, using only items you may find in the current act, etc. but that just delays the problem.
To me, it's only good if you want to collect items or if you don't care if the game is very easy. Also, if you're not really playing but just testing stuff, but I'd really avoid it for a clean game.

Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 10 August 2020, 03:17:06
hmmmm well..
when i said TQvault now disgusts me, i also said
now it's like an atma trying to be a jamella editor.

that might not be easily understandable. atma and jamella editor are diablo 2 3rd party tools. atma is what i think the original purpose of TQvault is. it's just a stash tool, with the option of transferring items between your characters if you want. jamella editor is closer to TQ defiler. more if i remember correctly but yes it's just a cheat tool. it's purpose is to edit your characters or items for cheating

now would i allow twinking in this challenge? no way. do that in xmax challenge. even if you play storm only, you just give it OP items like the Freyja set and it would be easy. or defense only, give it maybe giant's tooth and aionios. it wouldn't be fair for all players

my opinion on playing twinked and untwinked - both have pros and cons and both Tauceti and soa is correct. over the years, I've played a lot of twinked and untwinked characters now. untwinked kills some builds that rely heavily on specific items. how can you play a double mjolnir thunderer if you play it untwinked? but also, soa is right in that if you play twinked, it's only a matter of time before you won't even care about 99% of the drops. there is no character building. just give it the best items you can wear and it's done. later just replace them with even more OP items. personally, i think character building is what pulled most of us into the game when we were just starting. it's nice to go back to that sometimes

so what do i think is best? play some characters twinked and play others untwinked. OR, this might sound stupid but... after losing interest because you feel like you've done it all, give away all of your items. play online and give away all items you don't use. only save the items your characters use. then play again. this time you don't have a choice but to play untwinked. but this time try it without dying
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 10 August 2020, 23:53:17
I was going to join the challenge but I'm embarrassed to say I can't figure out how to post an image. Any help?
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 11 August 2020, 00:07:42
don't be embarrassed. i remember asking the admins here for the same thing. you can use imgur.com and copy the link from there. use the BBcode link so the image insta-shows. the one with the i.imgur link. then hide them in spoilers cos i was told too many pictures slows the loading time, and hiding in spoilers solves that problem
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 11 August 2020, 00:35:33
Thanks botebote! I'm not sure how long I'll be playing this character because I really just want to get a feel for the "new vanilla" masteries (including Atlantis). But I play self found anyway and I like to play single masteries. I don't normally play hardcore and probably won't survive long but it should spice things up a bit while it lasts!

Durgoth the Theurgist just started Act 2.
(https://i.imgur.com/1kU9AMZ.png)(https://i.imgur.com/uXzZgpO.png)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: icefreeze on 11 August 2020, 06:27:48
If my char sometime play xmax or m4ssboss3s to farming, is she still match this challenge?
Still, she is single mastery, untwinked, maybe will using TQVault to keeps gears, not using prepared gears from other characters.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 11 August 2020, 07:17:23
If my char sometime play xmax or m4ssboss3s to farming, is she still match this challenge?
Still, she is single mastery, untwinked, maybe will using TQVault to keeps gears, not using prepared gears from other characters.
no sorry.. the grind is part of the challenge. xmax farming makes it easier in some cases

btw @rakshir i noticed you have 21 unspent stat points at lvl 18. that's really how you play? dem i wouldn't be so courageous on a SSF hardcore run. maybe on a L50 char but not at L18 👍

but really, i almost don't attack with my weapon i'm even considering taking away all my points spent on calculated strike.
I guess for knives at ultimate skill ?
forgot to answer this but i don't really know. but more like trapper + warrior usually don't mix together. jewelries should be dedicated to pets (traps). and it's usually safer to just stand around far far away

edit: actually, this char pains me... because I've played a lot of rogue chars and the item combination i found works really good is 3 pet jewelries + SB cuffs + weapon + shield + sthenos wisdom. so do you see the problem and why I'm doubtful i could do that on this char?
weapon + shield = str
SB cuffs = dex
sthenos wisdom = int
3 pet jewelries = no hale or socrates rings
SSF = no symbol of the polymath, thoth's glory, etc
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: icefreeze on 11 August 2020, 07:33:08
Oh, so i stop her now.
Play single game no mod for farming is take too much of times for only one character.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 11 August 2020, 13:32:15
the grind is part of the challenge.. and also, the lack of good items is part of the challenge

act 2 was faster than act 1.. absolutely no farm runs at all
what i was most wary of, of course was the manticore
(https://i.imgur.com/4mpnaQD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0qQjTT8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/orbbSkJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4lL9biv.jpg)

i think my boots is endgame worthy or at least i can use it for a long time, so i thought why not use the legendary craftsmanship reward from normal.. resists went down but DA increased by about 140. 8%armor protection and +74 to mana. eh but i guess it's not bad

my skills
(https://i.imgur.com/dRkSUxT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tq3qkJe.jpg)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 11 August 2020, 14:25:18
Quote
btw @rakshir i noticed you have 21 unspent stat points at lvl 18. that's really how you play?
@botebote77 Yeah I wondered if anyone would notice that lol. Old habits die hard. I've always saved my points until I "needed" them for equipment reqs or needed the health to survive a specific fight etc. And, generally, the game starts off easy enough that you can get away with it. I've been aware that it's not the smartest thing for this challenge.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 11 August 2020, 23:10:22
Thanks botebote! I'm not sure how long I'll be playing this character because I really just want to get a feel for the "new vanilla" masteries (including Atlantis). But I play self found anyway and I like to play single masteries. I don't normally play hardcore and probably won't survive long but it should spice things up a bit while it lasts!

It should spice when the bell rings for the 1st time  ;D
Spirit is a nice mastery to go with. Have a long run.

edit: actually, this char pains me... because I've played a lot of rogue chars and the item combination i found works really good is 3 pet jewelries + SB cuffs + weapon + shield + sthenos wisdom. so do you see the problem and why I'm doubtful i could do that on this char?
Sure you can't spam knives with this char. But damage power is already provided by traps so I was thinking more of knives as an occasional CC skill and Reduced resistances spreading tool. Centaurs, draconians or other deadly fast rushing monsters can be a nightmare for any ranged toon (even with the help of flash powder ?)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 13 August 2020, 05:18:51
@Tauceti @botebote77 Congrats to both of you guys for making it into epic in this challenge btw! I'm quite sure I've never made it through Act 3 normal without dying.

Speaking of Act 3...Time for an update on Durgoth. He just arrived there. Epics started raining like candy in and around the Valley of Kings. I've now got three that I'm wearing: Oath Ring, Emerald Crown, and Ben'haamon's Kilt. The new spirit skills are quite powerful, at least for now. Soul drain was ridiculous when I first got it. It adds 150 vitality dmg in an 8m radius. However, the vitality damage doesn't increase with levels, only %reduction to enemy health and energy drain increase. At the moment I have 26 attribute points and 11 skill points saved. I'd better dump some quick if I'm going to survive Act 3. It's probably a good time to pick a new mastery to start spending those skill points in the bar. @botebote77 have you been spending many points in health?
https://i.imgur.com/tp8n7aL.png[/img]](https://i.imgur.com/s11A0jt.png)(https://i.imgur.com/tp8n7aL.png) (http://[img)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 15 August 2020, 00:26:26
Well I did it. The end of Act 3 was extremely stressful but the spirit tree has a lot of oomph so I'm thankful. I've been swapping out equipment as needed for resistances for certain encounters, which I normally only do after I'm having troubles. But playing hardcore that's not an option. I saved a Pious Sash that dropped, which has 105% life leech resistance, and bought the only "Hallowed" helm I saw in a shop for vitality resistance. Those items made Typhon the easiest he's ever been for me.
(https://i.imgur.com/DdafL8B.png)(https://i.imgur.com/0LgLDcK.png)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 15 August 2020, 02:17:05
nice. i'm glad i'm not alone here  :)) . i have progress of my own too

barmanu
(https://i.imgur.com/2hqyvgI.jpg)
undead dragon liche
(https://i.imgur.com/FSbTP5d.jpg)
typhon
(https://i.imgur.com/tl18TAE.jpg)

have you been spending many points in health?
just 6 pts so far, if i'm not mistaken

Sure you can't spam knives with this char. But damage power is already provided by traps so I was thinking more of knives as an occasional CC skill and Reduced resistances spreading tool. Centaurs, draconians or other deadly fast rushing monsters can be a nightmare for any ranged toon (even with the help of flash powder ?)
i didn't want to say i didn't try your suggestion. actually i've been thinking about it all along, that's why i said i'm thinking of taking away all my skill points from calculated strike
(https://i.imgur.com/FsUPGTR.jpg)
but something just doesn't feel right. and that pic doesn't even justify my efforts on making it work. i swapped my weapon for neiths will for more mana and to cover my vit res because i had to replace demons blood with spectral matter. and i'm already using golden fleece. i've even tried farming for membrane wings hoping to get life leech comp bonus and to have more energy leech.

but my efforts were already going against my plan for this run, which is to have no plans at all  ;D
it's because many skills perform differently with different items, and i don't know what items will drop. so my plan was to not have any plans at all. just go with the flow. and on a run that getting most from your char is not the priority, i don't think i'll risk it. the only goal is to not die, so i'm opting to just keep things simple, and to cover my weaknesses.

i started atlantis, but the difficulty spike is very noticeable. so after getting the 2nd portal in atlantis, i decided to do act 4 first. act 4 have useful rewards, atlantis have none
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 15 August 2020, 05:08:16
@botebote77 grats on downing epic Typhon! Major accomplishment.

i started atlantis, but the difficulty spike is very noticeable. so after getting the 2nd portal in atlantis, i decided to do act 4 first. act 4 have useful rewards, atlantis have none
I only played through Atlantis with one character but I ended up firmly of the belief that it should be played after act4.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 15 August 2020, 15:19:52
I've been selling absolutely everything that my character can't use but this just dropped. It's just normal version but I'm guessing it's a pretty rare drop?
https://i.imgur.com/BaBlQMs.png[/img]](https://i.imgur.com/BaBlQMs.png) (http://[img)
p.s. If I delete images off of imgur will they be deleted from the forum?
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 15 August 2020, 21:11:43
If I delete images off of imgur will they be deleted from the forum?
i haven't tried it yet but i think so, since what you post in forum is only the link. maybe admins can confirm
@admins ?
@efko ?


edit: that bow looks like leeching bramblewood of feasting. too bad it's a bow, not a staff
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Medea Fleecestealer on 16 August 2020, 09:08:07
I've been selling absolutely everything that my character can't use but this just dropped. It's just normal version but I'm guessing it's a pretty rare drop?
https://i.imgur.com/BaBlQMs.png[/img]](https://i.imgur.com/BaBlQMs.png) (http://[img)
p.s. If I delete images off of imgur will they be deleted from the forum?

Yes, if you delete images from Imgur they won't show up here.  As bote said what you post here is just a link. 
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 17 August 2020, 04:15:06
Nearing the end of Act 4 I started getting the low health warning more than I was comfortable with so I decided I'd better finally pick my second mastery. After much internal debate, I went with rogue even though it doesn't have the best stats for my character (the strength is a waste). But it's very unlikely I'll make it through legendary without dying and I will keep playing the character afterward. So adding poison and maybe even some bleed will fit the theme of my character and the poison debufs will be extremely helpful. I could get these skills without changing my active skills whatsoever, which is what I will do. The problem is...I want them now! >:(
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 18 August 2020, 02:14:57
Well it's over folks. Sorry @botebote77, it's just you left. I promise I didn't sabotage myself just cause I wanted to try adding poison. I died in a disappointing, anticlimactic way. After surprising myself by making it all of the way through Act 4, I went down like a chump to the first coral guardian archers and mage that I encountered in Atlantis. Maybe I needed more pierce resistance. I had been cruising through on autopilot up to that point in Atlantis. I'd only played it once before when it first came out and frankly had been kind of bored until right before I died. And then my life drain (heal) didn't go off or something, I don't know. Honestly, Atlantis lag could have been a factor but I can't say for sure. My performance in Atlantis isn't horrible, it's just a little choppy. But thanks for the challenge botebote. That's the furthest I've ever made without dying and it definitely made me play differently.

Here are my final pics:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZkvTm0N.png)(https://i.imgur.com/rLWNVQE.png)(https://i.imgur.com/oSfEglf.png)(https://i.imgur.com/Yv4CKEv.png)(https://i.imgur.com/1Jhy5f6.png)
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 18 August 2020, 12:28:55
awwww feelsbadman.. your DA seems low, but it was the ranged mobs that did you

well, i'm still alive. act 4 had been good in terms of purple drops, but the problem is... i couldn't wear them or they're not what i need
these 2 purples came from Cerberus alone
(https://i.imgur.com/lyWvnwK.jpg)
then later hades treasury again 2 purples
(https://i.imgur.com/wJ98BG6.jpg)
but i might use phorkos trident in legendary. i got more purples than just those
well anyway, it can't be seen here but here is where i killed Dactyl, which was the most problematic in act 4
(https://i.imgur.com/YnokVLt.jpg)
then Hades
(https://i.imgur.com/RFOaguw.jpg)

ps: act 4 was full of bugs. lots of times i got stuck in random places, not just cave entrances. then it's too dangerous if i press the "teleport to nearby location" button. sometimes i'm inside town, i press the button and it would teleport me outside of town in the middle of mobs. i learned now i don't use that button anymore. i just exit or teleport to nearest town. and yes i get stuck even in towns
there was also a time i couldn't enter a cave. the cave entrance was just black. the only way to enter was to exit then reload
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 18 August 2020, 14:05:02
@botebote77 Man you're cruising. You could go all the way! Odd, I've never noticed any bugs in Act 4.
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: Tauceti on 18 August 2020, 21:10:11
Congratz Rakshir, you have beaten your own record. Bote, your are next on the road to Legendary, things get hotter now !
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: botebote77 on 06 September 2020, 00:26:12
few days ago i decided to spend about 20 mins every now and then so i still have progress

omega telkine
(https://i.imgur.com/fsCl9dB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3tDkqbD.jpg)
loki
(https://i.imgur.com/Cw63AOa.jpg)
surtr
(https://i.imgur.com/WZ3WB5U.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0ZJUnQv.jpg)
skills
(https://i.imgur.com/yJE3g3X.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zAitn8z.jpg)

Doppelganger didn't spawn. right when i thought of trying something funny. before entering mimer's maze, i unequipped my weapon. that was to force Doppel to fight me barehanded  >:D
but didn't spawn so i wasn't able to try it

i was lucky to find what looks like veteran's Scironian helm. my resists will suck though. that's one of the disadvantages of playing a trapper because 2 jewelries are for pets and the other jewelry is for occult. guess i will just have to resort to item swapping, depending on the resists needed

Legendary up next
Title: Re: Single Mastery (sort of) Untwinked Hardcore Challenge
Post by: rakshir on 06 September 2020, 04:08:01
Grats on your progress!
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